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marke

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You are incredibly stupid, you did not reply to my post.

I said poor children would not be able to pay for their education. I did not say most kids are poor. However about 1 in 6 children in the USA are living in poverty.
Leftist solution to poverty worldwide: Rob from the rich and give to the poor, thus making everyone poor. Leftists may never be able to figure out there is no solution to the problem of poverty.

Matthew 26:11
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
 

Arthur Brain

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Science does not work in a vacuum. People (i.e., scientists) all have a world view within which they work. An atheist has a difference starting point than a Christian. When we talk about one-time, non-observable events, there is a high degree of bias involved.

If only it actually worked that way.

Of course it did. It's a belief system about the unobservable past.

Again, if only it actually worked that way.

I do.

This conflicts with other statements that you've made about "science".
If the second part of your statement were actually true, the "theory" of a single common ancestor of all life on earth would have been abandoned long ago.

And yet they agree with atheists regarding origins.

"ilk" 🥱
Irrelevant. There'll be a whole array of disparate belief systems among scientists, from Christianity to atheism and a whole load more as well. What matters in science is the evidence. No theory has come about or become established in science because of personal bias, it's ridiculous to posit anything remotely resembling. If the evidence doesn't hold up to continual testing and stringent review then as before, it's either discarded or modified depending when new data comes to light. If you're really familiar with how a theory is defined in science then you know just how much the evidence has to be to support it.

Science does work that way. That established theories don't fit in with your personal beliefs is once again, entirely irrelevant, science doesn't care.

There's no contradiction as I spelled out. Once again, the reason why it hasn't been abandoned is because of the plethora of evidence to support it.

So what if they did agree with atheists on the score? They're both professors in their field and evolution isn't an 'atheist' belief or some such, it's simply science.
 

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Irrelevant. There'll be a whole array of disparate belief systems among scientists, from Christianity to atheism and a whole load more as well. What matters in science is the evidence.
Again, we all have the SAME evidence and YET we come to different conclusions.
No theory has come about or become established in science because of personal bias, it's ridiculous to posit anything remotely resembling.
Your ignorance is monumental.
If the evidence doesn't hold up to continual testing and stringent review then as before, it's either discarded or modified depending when new data comes to light.
If this were actually true, the "big bang theory" would have been abandoned long ago.
If you're really familiar with how a theory is defined in science then you know just how much the evidence has to be to support it.
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Science does work that way. That established theories don't fit in with your personal beliefs is once again, entirely irrelevant, science doesn't care.
Science is practiced by humans. Humans have biases and make mistakes.
There's no contradiction as I spelled out. Once again, the reason why it hasn't been abandoned is because of the plethora of evidence to support it.
Blah, blah, blah... origin science is NOT like the kind of science that gives us technology, like computers.
So what if they did agree with atheists on the score? They're both professors in their field and evolution isn't an 'atheist' belief or some such, it's simply science.
Atheist's have duped folks like you into believing a lie.

You never discuss scientific FACTS... you always, without fail, run to fallacy.
 

Arthur Brain

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Again, we all have the SAME evidence and YET we come to different conclusions.

Your ignorance is monumental.

If this were actually true, the "big bang theory" would have been abandoned long ago.

:rolleyes:

Science is practiced by humans. Humans have biases and make mistakes.

Blah, blah, blah... origin science is NOT like the kind of science that gives us technology, like computers.

Atheist's have duped folks like you into believing a lie.

You never discuss scientific FACTS... you always, without fail, run to fallacy.
No, you start off with a conclusion based on your religious beliefs. Your silly quip about ignorance can just be laughed at and discarded accordingly as you seem to have no idea as to just how stringent testing a posit in science undergoes before it becomes established as a theory. Continually at that. The ToE runs contrary to your beliefs so of course you don't accept it but once again, your beliefs are irrelevant where it comes to how the scientific method actually operates.

Your comment about being duped by atheists is lamentably ignorant, not the case at all. Evolution is not an 'atheistic belief' by any stretch as demonstrated by actual experts in their field on here who are both believers.
 

marke

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No, you start off with a conclusion based on your religious beliefs. Your silly quip about ignorance can just be laughed at and discarded accordingly as you seem to have no idea as to just how stringent testing a posit in science undergoes before it becomes established as a theory. Continually at that. The ToE runs contrary to your beliefs so of course you don't accept it but once again, your beliefs are irrelevant where it comes to how the scientific method actually operates.

Your comment about being duped by atheists is lamentably ignorant, not the case at all. Evolution is not an 'atheistic belief' by any stretch as demonstrated by actual experts in their field on here who are both believers.
Evolution is not a scientific fact no matter how many rubes try to claim it is. It remains a debatable and unproven theory that encompasses hundreds of bad explanations for evidence that contradict the theory.
 

Arthur Brain

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Evolution is not a scientific fact no matter how many rubes try to claim it is. It remains a debatable and unproven theory that encompasses hundreds of bad explanations for evidence that contradict the theory.
Do you know what a 'theory' actually is in science?
 

marke

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Nothing has changed since Jesus said this.; Jesus knows man's nature. The rich exploit and rob the poor to make themselves richer.
Of course the rich exploit the poor to make themselves richer. Germans and George Soros did it in WW2. Rich democrats are doing it today. God approves of neither.
 

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No, you start off with a conclusion based on your religious beliefs.
No, I observe the world around me just like everyone else.
This "theory" of yours is just the same old tired try to "take the high ground" away from Bible believing Christians.
Your silly quip about ignorance can just be laughed at and discarded accordingly as you seem to have no idea as to just how stringent testing a posit in science undergoes before it becomes established as a theory.
How do you "test" one-time events that supposedly occurred billions of years before the first possible human observer?
Continually at that.
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The ToE runs contrary to your beliefs so of course you don't accept it but once again, your beliefs are irrelevant where it comes to how the scientific method actually operates.
The ToE runs contrary to scientific fact.
Your comment about being duped by atheists is lamentably ignorant, not the case at all. Evolution is not an 'atheistic belief' by any stretch as demonstrated by actual experts in their field on here who are both believers.
Evolution (i.e., the "theory" that all life shares a single common ancestor that magically came to life by natural causes) is a lie and a silly one at that.
 

Arthur Brain

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No, I observe the world around me just like everyone else.
This "theory" of yours is just the same old tired try to "take the high ground" away from Bible believing Christians.

How do you "test" one-time events that supposedly occurred billions of years before the first possible human observer?

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The ToE runs contrary to scientific fact.

Evolution (i.e., the "theory" that all life shares a single common ancestor that magically came to life by natural causes) is a lie and a silly one at that.
It's not "my theory", it's one that's established globally in science. You say you know how the term theory applies where it comes to such. If that's the case then you'll know just how much evidence it requires in order for it to come about. I've no interest in any of the bizarre stuff you want to accuse me of. Alate & Barb are believers and they showed that there's no need for cognitive dissonance in accepting evolution and having faith.

Of course ToE doesn't run contrary to 'scientific fact', that's just a laughably silly thing to say.
 

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It's not "my theory", it's one that's established globally in science.
By "theory of yours" you should know that I mean "the theory that you agree with". Again, was that really hard to understand.
You seem to think that a vague and infinitely adaptable "theory" is a "established globally in science". 🤪 🥳
You say you know how the term theory applies where it comes to such. If that's the case then you'll know just how much evidence it requires in order for it to come about. I've no interest in any of the bizarre stuff you want to accuse me of. Alate & Barb are believers and they showed that there's no need for cognitive dissonance in accepting evolution and having faith.

Of course ToE doesn't run contrary to 'scientific fact', that's just a laughably silly thing to say.
Just keep making your claims. That is laughably silly.

Scientific fact establishes that life cannot come from non-life.
Scientific fact also establishes that random accidental changes to not "create" novel features and "improvements".

You are the one on the side of science fantasy.
 

marke

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It's not "my theory", it's one that's established globally in science. You say you know how the term theory applies where it comes to such. If that's the case then you'll know just how much evidence it requires in order for it to come about. I've no interest in any of the bizarre stuff you want to accuse me of. Alate & Barb are believers and they showed that there's no need for cognitive dissonance in accepting evolution and having faith.

Of course ToE doesn't run contrary to 'scientific fact', that's just a laughably silly thing to say.
Evolutionists admit evolution has not been proven but claim it should be accepted as fact because so many people believe it is fact. The problem with that assumption is that there are many pieces of evidence that contradict evolutionary assumptions and conclusions and it is wrong to dismiss that body of evidence in an effort to elevate a debatable theory into acceptance as settled scientific fact.

Many scientists and philosophers of science have described evolution as fact and theory, a phrase which was used as the title of an article by paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in 1981. He describes fact in science as meaning data, not known with absolute certainty but "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent".[1] A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of such facts. The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record. Theories of evolution provide a provisional explanation for these facts.[1]

 

Arthur Brain

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By "theory of yours" you should know that I mean "the theory that you agree with". Again, was that really hard to understand.
You seem to think that a vague and infinitely adaptable "theory" is a "established globally in science". 🤪 🥳

Just keep making your claims. That is laughably silly.

Scientific fact establishes that life cannot come from non-life.
Scientific fact also establishes that random accidental changes to not "create" novel features and "improvements".

You are the one on the side of science fantasy.
If you think that the ToE is "vague" then the ignorance is once again, all yours. I'm not on the "side" of anything but there's no fantasy about it.
 

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If you think that the ToE is "vague" then the ignorance is once again, all yours.
Of course it's vague.

There is NO scientific evidence (that is not tortured in the process) that supports it.

Do you really believe that life comes from non-life? (Once again, apart from God's description of His creating it)?
I'm not on the "side" of anything but there's no fantasy about it.
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Arthur Brain

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Of course it's vague.

There is NO scientific evidence (that is not tortured in the process) that supports it.

Do you really believe that life comes from non-life? (Once again, apart from God's description of His creating it)?

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You do realize that the ToE isn't about the actual origin of life itself, right? It isn't vague in the slightest, not if you're familiar with it and of course there's evidence for it. If there wasn't it wouldn't have become a theory. I thought you said you were familiar as to how theories become formulated in science?
 

marke

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You do realize that the ToE isn't about the actual origin of life itself, right? It isn't vague in the slightest, not if you're familiar with it and of course there's evidence for it. If there wasn't it wouldn't have become a theory. I thought you said you were familiar as to how theories become formulated in science?
The reason evolution cannot explain the origin of life is that the facts of life contradict evolution assumptions.
 
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