You will own nothing
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The problem is that the Bible describes a darker time coming where history does not repeat itself.
Do you really think that the socialist/communist/fascist nations on this planet got rid of the very richest in their nations? No they didn't. Those nations have always concentrated the wealth and power in the hands of the very few, and the people themselves have always been made into serfs that had nothing. That's the plan this time too only it isn't going to be a nation here and a nation there. The very few at the top of the world will have everything and the little guy will own nothing and will live at the whims of a very few at the top of the heap.
Stalin, Lenin, and Trotsky lived in opulence as well as the very top cadre of the party in the Soviet Union. They starved the serfs. Those are the facts of history.
Mao and his very top people in the CCP once again lived in opulence and the rest were serfs who owned nothing. The very top of the heap owned everything and the serfs had nothing.
Socialism/communism/fascism isn't about making a completely level playing field. It always ends up with the very few at the top having everything and the serfs living at subsistence level. Look at North Korea. The people are starving to death and the members of the party and ruling elite have everything. It's because they follow the devil and his ways of doing things. It's God who is the one who governs with mercy and justice, and makes serfs of no one. He is the one whose principles of life and character demonstrate love and kindness. The devil always rules by cruelty and force. That's why Christians have always been persecuted under socialism/communism/fascism. And that's why socialist/communist/fascist nations have no liberty as those ideologies follow the devil and so does the leadership of those nations.
The more this nation has swung to the left the larger the wealth gap has become. When this nation was a Christian nation people came here from everywhere because there was opportunity for the individual to lift himself out of poverty. Now look at what the left is doing. They are shutting down the small businesses who have historically been the largest employer in the nation and putting them out of business. And they are treating the very large corporations very differently. They are open and in business. They are putting many billions of taxpayer dollars into the hands of the very few while the little guy is being reduced to food banks to eat because they have no jobs. The political elite aren't being reduced to poverty. The corporate elite aren't being reduced to poverty. Both groups are becoming wealthier while the little guy is being reduced to starvation levels, having their homes taken away because they can't pay their mortgages anymore.
Look at what is going on around you. The wealth gap is growing not getting smaller. That's always what happens under socialism. That's the plan of socialism. And they are already putting in place plans for a computer controlled monetary system. They want a cashless society. Ever wonder why? Physical cash that you can carry around with you allows you the liberty to survive on your own by working enough to keep money in your pocket. That allows you to purchase things anonymously so that you can't be locked out of the monetary system when you disobey the government. Any computerized system allows the administration of that system to lock whoever they want out of the system.
That gives total monetary control to those who own the system. It allows them to say who can work, who can access their own financial resources for they can lock anyone out of the financial system at any time who doesn't do what they tell them to. What's coming is obey or die. Total control like this world has never seen before.
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That time gets nearer all the time.
Like I said, it is the billionaires who always call the shots; whether you call it communism, capitalism or any other ism.
Scholars have gone through the Bible and highlighted over two thousand passages that refer to justice for the poor and oppressed. This will never happen because the wealthy always find ways to exploit the poor. But we shall all have to stand before God, and what good will billions do then?
Is it wrong for a business man to want to make money?
Who are we to judge. But when you read parables like Lazarus and the rich man, it makes you think. It didn't say the rich man made his money by devious means. It just seems to imply that he ignored the needy.
Eric, A simple yes or no will suffice.
Is it wrong for a business man to want to make money?
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Are you nuts?
Its fine for a business man to earn a wage for his family, but how much money do you need to support your family?
There are about 700 million people living on less than $2 dollars a day. How can a billionaire justify that much wealth when around nine million people in the world die from hunger in a year.
I don't necessarily disagree with you on the greed.
The problem is more people are going to die from starvation due to the marxist ideology being enforced than what is currently happening. Just the enforcement of lockdown rules and the shutting down of businesses world wide are going to up the starvation rate all over the world. And almost all of this is needless. It's all about control and making people do what the deep state tells them to. Everything the left is doing is creating even more hunger and starvation, plus added on to that is the homelessness they are creating.
Every nation that has ever gone socialist/communist/fascist has starved millions of their citizens to death by their own policies. Mao starved millions to death every year. So did Stalin. The Holodomor starved somewhere around 10 million Ukrainians to death just to satisfy Stalin's whims. Look at North Korea. They have been starving their own people to death for a long time. And this was all deliberate.
A nation cannot keep a standard of living up on debt and shutting down production. What happens when the current stock runs out and production has been severely reduced for a year or so? How much food will there be then and how many people will starve to death because food just isn't available?
The USDA has been ordering the destruction of crops, cattle herds, herds of swine and flocks of chicken. and dumping millions of gallons of milk, left and right since the "pandemic" started. What will be the effect of that on the availability of food in the coming months and years? Millions of US citizens are already at the point they cannot earn enough money to feed themselves. What will happen to them?
Do you think a UBI scheme will really provide enough income for people to live? That's a very dubious proposition, plus it will stop production of food, clothing, and create high inflation rates even further cutting back the buying power of the individual.
There are hard times coming that only those in their 90s have ever experienced anything close to what is coming. Take a look at the pictures of people in the 1930s and see just how poor they were. We are going to see those times, and worse in our near future. And those people had a monetary system based upon real value: gold. Our economic system is based upon nothing more than debt.
You're not answering my question. You're answering a question that is different than the one I'm asking.
Please answer the question I asked, and not the question I didn't ask:
Is it wrong for a business man to want to make money?
Are you one of them?
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What percentage of those people are in nations where they have a low population density?
I watched the video on 'income inequality is good'. How can you justify wage inequality when it means that -
Around nine million people in the world die from hunger in a year.
There are about 700 million people living on less than $2 dollars a day.
There are enough resources in the world to feed the poor. These resources become absent when we focus on feeding the appetites of the wealthy.
expos4ever
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This is not very convincing. Let's start with the lockdown thing. Clearly, there is a tradeoff here: the consequences of lockdowns vs the consequences of not having them. It is not at all obvious to me which way this goes. And here is the important point: this should not be decided on "ideology" - you cannot (or at least you should not) reduce this complex issue to a matter of "control on the part of the deep state". The simple fact of the matter is that both options have consequences and they need to be calmly, rationally, and dispassionately evaluated against each other.
You didn't answer my questions, of which there are now two. Here they are again:
Please answer the questions I asked above. This discussion cannot move forward until you do.
expos4ever
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Obviously it is not wrong for the business man to want to make money. But where are you going with this? Would you not agree that, given the sad facts of history, society has to impose at least some constraints on how people can act in their pursuit of money?
eider
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He can want to make money, depends on how, though. And once he has made it lawfully he can want to pay his taxes for community services, defence, roads, utilities and the rest.
Some business men get in to trouble by the way they try to make it, or withold it, or hide it.
The point is that socialism does nothing but make wealth inequality worse, not better. I just love how you disregarded the main point of my post. You're pretty good at obfuscation and misdirection, but not good enough.
The wealth gap under socialist rule is the worst it's been since the days of serfdom. It is only under the system of free markets and ownership of land and other properties that the poor were ever able to raise their standard of living. And that is called capitalism. Is it perfect? Nope. But it's better than the rest by a long shot.
What you advocate has never been successful in lessening the inequalities of income. It's a guarantee of the few owning everything, and the poor owning nothing. And once a person cannot own property he is unable forever to lift himself out of complete poverty.
Edit: No political ideology can ever change what's wrong with the human heart. Thus no political ideology can change a man from immoral to moral. Never happen. Thus, saying that enforcing socialism with get rid of greed, unfairness, the desire to control everyone, etc... is nothing but a fallacy. At least under a free market and the ability to own property a poor man has a chance of improving his lot. That's how God set up the nation of Israel. He gave every family the right to own their own land and made provision so that they could never lose it. And God made Israel a land of open markets with no state control over any market. It was truly a free market system that He installed in Israel.
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