When are you going to stop being a hypocrite?
Christians worship Christ; JW's do not!
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glorydaz
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You won't see until you believe. That's the way it works in the spiritual realm.
We walk by faith not by sight, but you must see before you believe. :nono:
John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
glorydaz
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When the leopard changes his spots. :chuckle:
You are in the right path my friend.
oatmeal
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Where does scripture say that Christians worship Christ?
Apple7
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God the Son, Son of God, tell me the difference.
Son is Son not the Father. His Father is God, not the Son.
Apple7
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θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο
Theon oudeis heōraken pōpote monogenēs Theos ho ōn eis ton kolpon tou Patros ekeinos exēgēsato
No one has seen God at any time; but the unique One, Himself God, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him.
Go learn some scripture before you hurt yourself...
where did you get that?
John 1:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
that does not say Jesus is God nor God the Son.
it is only your arrogant assumption.
6days
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But, I don't think my children are arrogant calling me their father, even though I don't say the exact words "I am your father". They know it based on actions, and words from myself and others.
Likewise with Jesus, we KNOW who He is based on His actions...His Words...and words of others.
Throughout both OT and NT we see that Jesus is God. Jesus has every attribute that God the Father does.
Jesus is the mighty God and the everlasting Father Is.9:6
Jesus is omnipotent.
He has "all authority"...Matthew 28:18
Jesus is omnipresent
"Where 2 or 3...I am there" Matt. 18:20
Jesus is omniscient.
John 1:48-50 Jesus knew where Nathaniel was.
Jesus is called God.
"Of the Son he(God the Father) says, "Thy throne oh God..."" Heb. 1:8
And,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
So the Word WAS GOD...... then compare to v14... the Word became human
Jesus is also called 'Lord'. Matt. 22:43-45
Jesus is the 'King of kings and Lord of lords'. Rev. 19:16
Jesus receives worship from angels and humans
.."Let all the angels of God worship Him" Heb. 1:6
And...
"At the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow, of those who are in Heaven, and those on earth, and under the earth."
Phil. 2:10
Jesus claimed to be equal to his father.
"I and the Father are one." John 10:30
Jesus is the Creator. Col. 1:16
Jesus forgives sin Luke 7:48
marhig
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A true servant of God lives by his will, something that you never mention as your only concern seems to be yourself being saved! You never mention about doing anything for God, everything is for you!
Those who are truly being saved and belong to Christ, live by the will of God and obey him as Jesus did. For just as the members of the natural body do as the head tells them, the members of the spiritual body do as their head tells them, and Christ Jesus is the head of the church, and he teaches us to obey God and live by his will and that we are to take up our cross and follow him. Those not willing to do so, are not worthy of him.
Matthew 10
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Jesus said, my sheep hear my voice and they follow me, and those who truly follow him do as he teaches, they are doers of the word not just hearers only.
marhig
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And you can't see that God is in Christ, and those who see, walk after the Spirit and walk not after the flesh.
And to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, is to obey God. Something you mock others for, and insult them calling them worker bees etc. for doing so. Those who belong to God, do his works daily as they turn from the works of the flesh.
marhig
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How do you get around those verses that clearly show us that the father is God and that he is the God and head of Christ Jesus? Like the following, why shouldn't I believe them?
John 7:16
Jesus answered them, and said, MY DOCTRINE IS NOT MINE, BUT HIS THAT SENT ME. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, WHETHER IT BE OF GOD, OUR WHETHER I SPEAK OF MYSELF.
John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes
2 Thessalonians 2
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
It is not mine to grant but is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.(Matthew 20:20-23 KJV)
1 Corinthians 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?(Matthew 26:39 & 27:46 KJV)
Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me, not by my will, but thy will.(Luke 22:42 KJV)
Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.(Luke 23:46 KJV)
Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son - as you have given him power over all flesh
John continues:
John 17:3 kjv
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. (John 5:19 KJV)
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me bears witness of me. (John 8:18 KJV).
Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father I ascend unto my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.(John 20:17 KJV)
I go unto the Father, for my Father is greater than I.”(John 14:28 KJV)
John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.(John 5-30)
Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God(Mark 10:17-18 KJV)
And that is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, but to us there is but one God, the Father of whom are all things and we in him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we by him. (1 Corinthians 8:4-6 KJV)
But I would have you know that the head of every man in Christ and the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God. (1 Corinthians 11:3).
For there is one God and one mediator between God and man,the man Christ Jesus.(1 Timothy 2:5 KJV)
Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort. (2Corinthians 1:3 KJV)
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together(Romans 8)
1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ (rev 12)
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 1:3 KJV)
1 Peter 3
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.(Hebrews 10)
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh,that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent..I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Ephesians 1
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him
Revelation 1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.(Hebrews 1:9)
Revelation 3
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name..He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
John 11:21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 11:22 But I know, that even now, WHATSOEVER THOU WILT ASK OF GOD, GOD WILL GIVE IT THEE.
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.(Ephesians 4:6 KJV)
no, he was foreordained in the past.
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,