Christians worship Christ; JW's do not!

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Both God The Son, and God The Father, claim that each other is God!

Where do you find the phrase "God the Son" in scripture?

Jesus the anointed one is referred to as the son of God about fifty times in scripture.

Not once does God in his logos his word refer to him as God the Son.

Who then is Jesus Christ?

He is the son of God
 

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And you can't see that God is in Christ, and those who see, walk after the Spirit and walk not after the flesh.

exactly.

Christians who are in Christ, do not insult, mock, slander and saying they are not saved or nonbelievers or cult.

True Christians don't usurp Jesus authority to judge people's salvation.

They are clearly showing spirit of hate.

It says to test the spirit.
 

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no, he was foreordained in the past.

1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So? That doesn't exclude Him existing before the Holy Spirit moved in Mary.

And Jesus said He existed before Abraham. Are you calling Jesus a liar?
 

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How do you get around those verses that clearly show us that the father is God and that he is the God and head of Christ Jesus? Like the following, why shouldn't I believe them?
Marhig... You don't 'get around scripture'. Getting around scripture leads to heretical beliefs. You need embrace all God's Word, using exegetical interpretation. IOW use scripture to interpret scripture; not man made doctrines.
marhig said:
John 7:16
Jesus answered them, and said, MY DOCTRINE IS NOT MINE, BUT HIS THAT SENT ME. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, WHETHER IT BE OF GOD, OUR WHETHER I SPEAK OF MYSELF.

John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes

2 Thessalonians 2
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
It is not mine to grant but is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.(Matthew 20:20-23 KJV)

1 Corinthians 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?(Matthew 26:39 & 27:46 KJV)

Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me, not by my will, but thy will.(Luke 22:42 KJV)

Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.(Luke 23:46 KJV)

Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son - as you have given him power over all flesh

John continues:

John 17:3 kjv

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. (John 5:19 KJV)

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me bears witness of me. (John 8:18 KJV).

Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father I ascend unto my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.(John 20:17 KJV)

I go unto the Father, for my Father is greater than I.”(John 14:28 KJV)

John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.(John 5-30)

Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God(Mark 10:17-18 KJV)

And that is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, but to us there is but one God, the Father of whom are all things and we in him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we by him. (1 Corinthians 8:4-6 KJV)

But I would have you know that the head of every man in Christ and the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God. (1 Corinthians 11:3).

For there is one God and one mediator between God and man,the man Christ Jesus.(1 Timothy 2:5 KJV)

Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort. (2Corinthians 1:3 KJV)

Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together(Romans 8)

1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ (rev 12)

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 1:3 KJV)

1 Peter 3

Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.(Hebrews 10)

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh,that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent..I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Ephesians 1

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him

Revelation 1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.(Hebrews 1:9)

Revelation 3

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name..He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 12:10

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

John 11:21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 11:22 But I know, that even now, WHATSOEVER THOU WILT ASK OF GOD, GOD WILL GIVE IT THEE.

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.(Ephesians 4:6 KJV)
Those are all great verses. They help us understand the nature of who the son of man is...who the Son of God is... who God the Father is, Etc. When we use the entirety of God's Word, we understand why Jesus is called Mighty God and Eternal Father. They help us understand why Jesus has all the attributes of Jehovah God.
 

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You haven't answered the question about "God the Son".
You haven't answered my question about what happens to people who die outside a relationship with God.

Don't be a hypocrite, Meshak
 

meshak

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There are many questions that trinity believers cannot answer because they make up their own ideas or doctrines.

Another man made doctrine is that Jesus did not say you have to believe He is God or Trinity to be saved.

I hope, I will not be banned for this post because it is the truth.

blessings.

PS,

I did not bring up "God the Son" nor "Jesus is God".

If I get banned, posters who brought up should be banned too.
 

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There are many questions that trinity believers cannot answer because they make up their own ideas or doctrines.

Another man made doctrine is that Jesus did not say you have to believe He is God or Trinity to be saved.

I hope, I will not be banned for this post because it is the truth.

blessings.

There are many questions Meshak cannot answer because she makes up her own ideas on doctrines.

Another Meshak made doctrine is that you must follow every teaching of Jesus to the letter without understanding the context it was written in.

I hope you are banned, Meshak, for spreading lies about scripture and being a hypocrite.
 

marhig

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Marhig... You don't 'get around scripture'. Getting around scripture leads to heretical beliefs. You need embrace all God's Word, using exegetical interpretation. IOW use scripture to interpret scripture; not man made doctrines.
Those are all great verses. They help us understand the nature of who the son of man is...who the Son of God is... who God the Father is, Etc. When we use the entirety of God's Word, we understand why Jesus is called Mighty God and Eternal Father. They help us understand why Jesus has all the attributes of Jehovah God.
Oh my word, getting around scripture? Those verses clearly show us that Jesus is the son of God, that the the father is the only true God and that he is the God of Christ Jesus. Why can't you see? It's not cryptic, it's clear, the apostles are even calling the father, the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ. So the father is the God of Jesus.

One God, the father! And if you believe that Jesus is the father you are way off!
 

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Oh my word, getting around scripture? Those verses clearly show us that Jesus is the son of God, that the the father is the only true God and that he is the God of Christ Jesus. Why can't you see? It's not cryptic, it's clear, the apostles are even calling the father, the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ. So the father is the God of Jesus.

One God, the father! And if you believe that Jesus is the father you are way off!

There is only one God and He is the Father; and that one God and Father came as a Man in the flesh.
 

God's Truth

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There are many questions Meshak cannot answer because she makes up her own ideas on doctrines.

Another Meshak made doctrine is that you must follow every teaching of Jesus to the letter without understanding the context it was written in.

I hope you are banned, Meshak, for spreading lies about scripture and being a hypocrite.

You are so bitter and wanting to have her and me leave. Sometimes you get what you ask for, and then are sorry for it.
 

God's Truth

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There are many questions that trinity believers cannot answer because they make up their own ideas or doctrines.

Another man made doctrine is that Jesus did not say you have to believe He is God or Trinity to be saved.

I hope, I will not be banned for this post because it is the truth.

blessings.

PS,

I did not bring up "God the Son" nor "Jesus is God".

If I get banned, posters who brought up should be banned too.

You try to be simple and it is good, but don't be learning disabled.
 
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