oatmeal
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oatmush?
is there an oatmush you are conversing with?
Are you hearing voices in your head?
You can be delivered from those voices if you would believe scripture.
ECT As many people doubt the scripture regarding speaking in tongues:
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oatmush?
is there an oatmush you are conversing with?
Are you hearing voices in your head?
You can be delivered from those voices if you would believe scripture.
oatmeal
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Again, it is good to see a believer well informed on this subject
oatmeal
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You are thinking on this subject reminds me of those who mocked the apostles on the day of Pentecost.
Peter had a few things to say about your attitude of unbelief
I appreciate your comment, Oatmeal. The only difference was the apostles were inspired. Peter healed a man in Acts 3:2 afflicted with heritable lameness. Do any of you folk have any before and after DNA examples? We have DNA today that makes a mockery out of faith healers. I entirely believe what happened, THEN. I most definitely neither subscribe to your notion, or anyone's else's notion here of tongue-speak. I use translators communicating with the hearing impaired, and those not fluent in English. Care to do a little volunteer work, folks?
Jesus had a few things to say about you folks, too... Matthew 24:11, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26... and, you tell me "behold, he (Christ) is in..." in your church? Tread a little water afoot, then. Show me some DNA. Wean an insulin dependent diabetic... If they were here, today: Jesus COULD, PETER could, Paul COULD!
Jesus told Peter to feed His sheep... that was OT truth and knowledge, btw. And, you heard some of this reflecting on Genesis 9:22 KJV in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Where did the Gentiles come from? But, I suppose such is 'unheard' in your churches, while you magnify yourselves instead of the truth. Forgive me that I'm totally underwhelmed with the lot of you...
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"Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will." 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 (KJV)
What's in yellow is your cherry picked verse that doesn't say it all, does it? You liar.
The gifts are manifestations of the Holy Spirit that you refuse to confess and only wish to make it all go away as being such that you might continue to spew out your cult religious doctrine.
I must be honestly frank: I can't stand people like you. You don't belong on a Christian forum.
Furthermore...
I suppose all them folk afflicted with all those horrendous heritable afflictions today simply don't believe, then. It this correct? IT'S THEIR FAULT THEY REMAIN AFFLICTED, and not YOUR FAULT that you can't heal them like Jesus the apostles did. Then I suppose those un-healed great unwashed can mingle in your congregation as unbelievers not having what you folk profess to have, members of the TRUE church. I'll just hang out with the publicans then, since its dark:thirty (John 9:4 KJV). FWIW, the medical community CAN heal leprosy with a script of dapsone, lamprene, and rifampin antibiotics... and the medical community has made tremendous headway in impoverished third-world countries circumventing the devastating sequela of leprosy, which includes blindness in severe cases.
What about you Word based mystic... ever encounter any leprosy? Despite shortcomings, like being unable to levitate or walk on water or speak in tongues; I'll bet a hundred bucks to your two cents the medical community can hop a boat or a plane, engage a translator, and make a mockery of your claim to fame! You're a little late on the scene in that arena. I at least have to give the Catholics credit for sending missionaries to New Guinea to help suppress ritual cannibalism, the root cause for the spread of Kuru.
kayaker
You went to a lot of trouble to deny clear passages of scripture, which show the believers are only able to be gifted in those things the Lord has gifted them with.
Believers are not able to manifest all of the gifts as they will, but only as the Lord wills.---
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
LA
Kayaker,
Believers have the expectation that the Lord will do today what He did yesterday when they ask Him, whether they see it now or in the future, it makes no difference to faith.
Mat 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
You will likely misunderstand that verse as most do.
LA
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Word based mystic
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to be gentle and yet serious on your question to me kaya.
I already have told a couple of miraculous things the Lord has answered prayers to. On a trip down the amazon to the urarina tribe
my wife and I prayed for our guides left eye, which was totally covered with cataracts and milky white substance from his continual reflection on the water of the amazon. after praying 10 minutes He opened his eye and started screaming.. he could see clearly for the first time in 5 years. all the milky substance was gone.
as to the other miracles. even if i told you more you would probably not believe.
I and our fellowships have no desires for worldwide attention. And most of the believing fellowships I am familiar with that have similar faith would find it repulsive to make Gods intimate love gifts of healings to an individual a spectacle to the news or media.
you either believe the scriptures and do what Jesus did and the disciples did or not.
romans 15:19 in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and round about as far as Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
oatmeal
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Those type of things are what we are supposed to be doing as believers. I am thrilled that you are genuinely believing God to see His power and healing ability work in people's lives.
Aimiel
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Amen. :thumb:
oatmeal
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The "another: is a pronoun which draws its meaning from the nearest antecedent noun. That noun which "another" is referring to is not a person but "profit" from verse 7
I Corinthians 12:7
All believers have the God given ability to do all nine, but it is up to the believer to will, to will by mature and deliberate choice, to believe to do what God wants them to do. which is to use all nine
Hey LA!
I see it in the future, you see it today. So, who needs the second advent, when one can have it all today? The last time I looked, there weren't any faith-healings going on in the ICU, at least not as proposed by the Pentecostals, more and less. Anyone in your church with a hip or knee replaced? Are there any who take any kind of prescribed or OTC medications, lately? Get vaccinations? I suppose those must be unbelievers, then. Pop a vessel in your noodle... and, with more than a little 'luck', wake up in an ICU. I hope your fellow members have the unction to call 911... but, certainly lay on hands in the meanwhile, unless CPR is indicated, and chest compressions are a form of laying on hands, btw.
I'll take a shot at it, LA. Please consider said mountain beginning with Matthew 17:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Through Jesus' healing miracle of the epileptic boy (inherited) in Matthew 17:15, 16, the deficient faith of His disciples was exemplified being they were absent the Holy Spirit. I do render a sort of 'transfiguration' at Pentecost, having 'moved' the aforementioned 'mountain' to said location. Peter healed the heritably stricken lame man in Acts 3:2 KJV, evidence, thereof.
Jesus healed heritable illnesses, Peter did, Paul did... but, the faith-healers make a mockery of the utter magnificence of these truly divine, genetic miracles. That is... unless you can show me the before and after DNA that we do have today. Today, Jesus would, Peter and Paul would... so, what's the hold-up? Either these victims of heritable illnesses don't have faith enough to be healed; or, maybe it's dark:30 John 9:1, 2, 3, John 9:4 KJV, John 9:5; and, we bear such crosses until His second advent.
I'm listening...
kayaker
There are many testimonies about of Christ healing people today.
There are not all false.
Try the book "Kicked out of the Kingdom".
LA
So, you're casting yellow snakes out of those folk, then? No... I don't believe you. I do believe the Scriptures, though: John 9:4 KJV, DARK:THIRTY. I also believe Jesus:
Matthew 24:24 KJV "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
Obviously dark:30 had arrived. And, you think I should believe you? The darkness is also necessary to shine a light on the fact that you've no DNA evidence, no regenerated limbs or fingers, no weaning an insulin-dependent juvenile diabetic, no healing of leprosy, no healing of inherited neurodegenerative disorders, no healing of heritable hemophilia. Even Jesus said:
John 10:37, 38, KJV "If I do not the works of my Father (John 8:1, 2, 3, John 8:4 KJV, John 8:5), believe not me. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."
Jesus was a genetic healer (John 9:1, 2, 3, John 9:4 KJV, John 9:5). Peter was a genetic healer (Acts 3:2 KJV). Is that a problem for you? Show me the DNA, simple enough? Open up a cataract clinic, here or yon. Neither Jesus, nor Peter could escape the multitudes! But, for some peculiar reason, I haven't heard of any outpouring of genetic restorations in your neck of the jungle!
Peter, James and John witnessed Jesus' transfiguration (Matthew 17:2 KJV), Paul saw the light on the road to Damascus... I think you skipped a step seeing the light through a mirror.
kayaker
Try the Book of John 9:1, 2, 3, John 9:4 KJV, John 9:5, DARK:30. Try the Book of Acts 3:2 KJV. The Books of the NT tell me Jesus was a genetic healer. My books tell me to look at before and after DNA tests, have a 'non-believer' third party duplicate the process with the same results, and submit said findings to professional peer review.
If there's ONE you can provide before and after DNA tests, hand it over. Otherwise, reconsider Matthew 24:24 KJV. There are plenty of Christians in healthcare who have saved lives... but, no DNA reconstruction, no limb regenerations, no retinal regenerations, no pancreatic islet cell regeneration (diabetes)... You folks have a vested interest in your results, your very salvation paradigm depends on it. If you can't heal someone's DNA... well? I almost forgot... its THEIR unbelief, NOT your incapacity. So, I wouldn't say that's an unbiased observer! Hand over the DNA, or walk on water. Are you interested in investing in my demon dialysis machine? How about an IV baptism with holy water?
You folks believe what you want to believe, because you saved yourselves with your faith in yourselves.
When Word based mystic can heal the inherited blindness, retinitis pigmentosa, and you can reverse the miracle... let me know. But, you might want to be on a boat off the shore... somewhere in the Amazon.
kayaker
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your points of contention seem very personal in relation to people you know that have conditions.
I only mention testimonies where I have at least 3 witnesses.
once again your doctrine rests on your lack of experience
mine rests on both obvious scriptures relating to signs that will follow (((those who believe))).
as well as actual personal and corporate experiences.
scripture validates my experiences as within the realm of norm in previous supernatural experiences in scripture.
our testimonies also are one of the things scripture relates as a means to triumph over the enemy. rev 12:11
Word based mystic
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Kayaker.
in the 80's I was a psychiatric technician in the navy
as well as a corpsman which is equivalent to modern day physicians assistant.
I understand your medical assumptions
but your suppositions contradict scriptures that relate to the asking and receiving principles of scripture.
we do not receive because we ask amiss.
but if we ask in his unction and Spirit guidance we receive.
in the 80's I was a psychiatric technician in the navy
as well as a corpsman which is equivalent to modern day physicians assistant.
I understand your medical assumptions
but your suppositions contradict scriptures that relate to the asking and receiving principles of scripture.
we do not receive because we ask amiss.
but if we ask in his unction and Spirit guidance we receive.