oatmeal
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exactly
Nice to see another well informed Christian
ECT As many people doubt the scripture regarding speaking in tongues:
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Nice to see another well informed Christian
oatmeal
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Excuse me?
How would I know?
For that matter, if you had read or maybe paid attention to I Corinthians 12:7-11,
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
you would have noticed that speaking in tongues is not a miracle.
Speaking in tongues is speaking in tongues.
Miracles are miracles
Discerning of spirits is not miracles nor speaking in tongues it is discerning of spirits
I had to learn all that as well, don't beat yourself up, I was taught by the best.
oatmeal
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Yes, that is right, that is what scriptures read
It was other people that understood the languages that the apostles spoke as the Spirit gave them the utterance.
The speaker in tongues does not know the language, but that does not mean that someone in a meeting who knows other languages would not be able to understand it, if that language they knew was spoken in tongues.
I have had that experience, it was quite cool, what little I understood was definitely speaking the wonderful works of God.
Acts 2
8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”
musterion
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Yeah. How would you.
Cross Reference
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Their own. How else would they understand?
Bingo! And, I'd say that's a bit of a miracle... speaking in tongues.
Cross Reference
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Why disregard the word "HEAR" __ as in, "WE HEAR THEM SPEAKING"?
In Reality Today, People Do Not Understand Jibberish, When The Holy Spirit Speak Through Us, We Should Hear Clearly. Unfortunately, Nobody In Earshot Comprehends A Word. I Know A Translator, I Hear What They Hear, Jibberish. Do Not Question the Power Of The Spirit, I Do Not, I Doubt Men.
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musterion
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Then it was never a gift of tongues but a gift of ears.
See, words mean things.
Like I AM means Christ is the God of the Old Testament, before Whom you will stand in judgment.
I don't catch your drift, CR? Doesn't sound like a translator was needed though, or an interpreter, for that matter. The speaker spoke, and the recipient heard in their native tongue.
oatmeal
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Acts 2:38 it is a gift, not wages.
Peter said it there
God had Paul write it in Ephesians 2:8-9,
Romans 5:15-21;8:2-17,26;
I Corinthians 12:2-3;2:9-3:3,16
Galatians 3:5,4:5-11,5:5-26
Those are a few places that show that the gift of eternal life/holy spirit/salvation is God's way of giving us the ability to rise up to become spiritually minded.
oatmeal
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I wasn't there for one thing.
Another thing, I am not fluent in all the tongues of men and of angels. I Corinthians 13:1
Are you? Would you have known what languages were spoken?
Seeing you condescend to my lowly estate, you should be able to tell me, not me telling you.
oatmeal
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Miracles are miracles
Healing is healing
word of knowledge is word of knowledge
speaking in tongues is speaking in tongues
See I Corinthians 12:7-11
There is the list of the nine ways and profits of manifesting the gift of holy spirit
However, in the case of Acts 2, both speaking and tongues and a miracle were involved, for there is no guarantee that when someone speaks in tongues others there will be able to understand the language spoken
oatmeal
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I am not sure what you just said there, but speaking in tongues is speaking in tongues, it is a commandment of the Lord, I Corinthians 14:5
oatmeal
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Speaking in tongues is not a gift.
It is one way of manifesting the gift of eternal life/holy spirit/salvation.
I Corinthians 12:7-11
oatmeal
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Not being a "pentie" but a follower of the Way, I am not going to answer your question.
More Oprah, stock cliches, from another Christ rejector, as TOL laughs at you, in your attempts to be oh so "reflective," and "sweet," and "genuine," and a "wise counselor." The devil taught you that schtick.