toldailytopic: What will 4 more years of Obama mean for this country?
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drbrumley
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But alas Alate, that is not how it is done either. I'm guessing most of ya'll don't read your credit files.
jeremysdemo
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I love this description of people, in what used to be the wealthiest country in the world, in need of medical attention who cannot afford it.
very, very compassionate post.
The medical industry is the single largest growing industry in America, now let's set those facts aside for a moment and worry about how people who can't afford to pay them effect the US economy or pockets of the wealthy (when I say wealthy I mean people who can afford the high rising and ridiculous cost of healthcare).
rather than complaining about the poor and their effect on the rich, how about this for a solution, let's make healthcare affordable and reasonably priced and make charging $10-25 in an ER for a tylenol a crime, along with the ridiculous prices for "medications" that treat symptoms instead of diseases like $800 dollars for a month supply or Percocet, that is what is putting an unessary burden on tax payers and the health industry.
I don't agree socialism or Canada's approach to health care is right for the US, but I do beleive we are not doing all we can to stop the gap between price gouging and reasonable care for all.
keep shinin
jerm
It's a fact. Need more sources?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ate-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/
If we think of states as voters – and they are in presidential elections, because of the Electoral College – then the moocher myth is backward. Starting with the 2000 election, the states that have benefited the most from federal spending have voted Republican. Those that pay the most in taxes per dollar received in spending vote Democratic. This paradox occurs even controlling for a state’s per capita income, total population, racial composition, education level and defense spending.
At the county level, the moocher myth is more intriguing. The Census Bureau counts federal dollars in five broad categories: retirement and disability payments, salaries and wages, procurement contracts, grants, and other direct payments. In 2004 – the most recent year the Tax Foundation calculated the tax burden per county – the counties that received the most per person in retirement or grants had higher vote margins for Democrat John Kerry.
But the counties that received the highest per capita spending in the category “other direct payments” voted for George W. Bush. “Other direct payments” includes Medicaid, food stamps, crop subsidies, housing assistance and many other programs that people generally think of as “welfare.”
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/25/2502945/why-do-red-states-have-the-most.html#storylink=cpy
Facts are facts, regardless of who mentions them. Another concept Nick could never get his mind around. It's the guys in the blue counties, who are paying for the welfare going to the republican voters in the red counties.
Alate_One
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I'm talking about people who can afford to pay for insurance but foolishly think they'll always be able to pay for medical attention out of their own pocket. Especially the people who rant and rave about being "forced" to buy something against their will and then suddenly find out they can't afford bills of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
You have to be Mitt Romney wealthy to be assured of affording many types of catastrophic medical care out of pocket. But there are a lot more people that could afford healthcare premiums that don't pay them. If you're really poor, you should be covered by medicaid though there's a definite gap between the two situations which is why the ACA expands medicaid, which of course the states are fighting. How dare they be asked to PAY for poor people? Let them die, right? (This is where libertarianism leads)
| Republican Debate | |
Part of the reason for that is the free rider problem. Hospitals charge almost reasonable prices to their insured patients. They charge ridiculous prices to the uninsured. It indeed makes no sense. We could certainly implement price controls, as the Japanese do. (They have a better healthcare system than we do) But, lets wait for the cries of socialism over Obamacare to die down before you send them all to the hospital with a heart attack.
drbrumley
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I'm talking about people who can afford to pay for insurance but foolishly think they'll always be able to pay for medical attention out of their own pocket. Especially the people who rant and rave about being "forced" to buy something against their will and then suddenly find out they can't afford bills of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
You have to be Mitt Romney wealthy to be assured of affording many types of catastrophic medical care out of pocket. But there are a lot more people that could afford healthcare premiums that don't pay them. If you're really poor, you should be covered by medicaid though there's a definite gap between the two situations which is why the ACA expands medicaid, which of course the states are fighting. How dare they be asked to PAY for poor people? Let them die, right? (This is where libertarianism leads)
Republican Debate
Part of the reason for that is the free rider problem. Hospitals charge almost reasonable prices to their insured patients. They charge ridiculous prices to the uninsured. It indeed makes no sense. We could certainly implement price controls, as the Japanese do. (They have a better healthcare system than we do) But, lets wait for the cries of socialism over Obamacare to die down before you send them all to the hospital with a heart attack.
You bleeding heart liberals are all the same. Again, you must not be looking at ya'lls credit files.
WizardofOz
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Your video cut off before Paul was able to answer. Here it is. Let me know what aspect of his response you disagree with.
When asked if the uninsured should be left to die, he says "no", btw.
| Paul's actual answer | |
drbrumley
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| Did Rep Ron Paul suggest uninsured should die? See the truth | |
I think Ron Paul answered your folly quite nicely!!!!
drbrumley
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You beat me to it. Your the man Wiz!!!!:up:
jeremysdemo
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my motto with american politics is follow the money trail.jeremysdemo said:
Part of the reason for that is the free rider problem. Hospitals charge almost reasonable prices to their insured patients. They charge ridiculous prices to the uninsured. It indeed makes no sense. We could certainly implement price controls, as the Japanese do. (They have a better healthcare system than we do) But, lets wait for the cries of socialism over Obamacare to die down before you send them all to the hospital with a heart attack.
there is a reason people are allowed to do this in the US, even tho it is not in the best interest of the country as a whole.
Do you know how many jobs would be lost if US healthcare prices were not inflated? and in an economy that is already flailing....not going to happen, so their solution is "give everybody healthcare" so they all can buy stock in health care and make millions off it, mark my words it will be the next big run, when they are all done draining it for every cent they can bleed out of it they will all come rushing in as big humanitarians to solve the problem and regulate prices, some might even get nobel prizes as they pat each other on the backs.
keep shinin
jerm
Quasar1011
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I changed my avatar on Nov. 5, 2008, after the first Presidential election Obama won. Looks like I don't need to change it now.
Indeed! The common man has spoken "We will not be governed by an uncommon man!"
A man of the people who learned his considerable oratorical skills sitting in Reverend Wrights church for twenty years.
Alate_One
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Of course the point of my posting it was that the audience cheered for "let him die". There's a significant proportion of right wingers that think that way. It's the most extreme form of libertarianism and from the left, anarchy.
For what Ron Paul himself said, I looked up what he said after and he said "no" even in the segment I posted. However saying the church and family should take care of him isn't a solution. What if he has no church or family that has the means to help him? Or an even better question, what church or family has $500,000 to fork out for cancer treatments? And even if they can do it for one person, what about the next person? Ultimately for some people the answer would indeed be "let them die" because some will not have robust support systems. Read The Jungle. It reflects the state of American society without government protections. It's not a pretty picture.
Government exists to help mitigate problems that individuals face, to keep people from "falling through the cracks" so to speak. It's not the first resort for a lot of people, but the last.
drbrumley
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Your a damn liar. It was a response to Wolf's attempted gotcha question. The person who said yeah was in response to the question "should we just let him die?" Nice try throwing mud trying to get something to stick. Shame on you you baffoon.
Alate_One
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Um, I think you misunderstood. I didn't say Ron Paul said "let him die". But perhaps you didn't bother to read the rest of my post. I personally know people and as evidenced by those in the audience that think people like the man in the question should be allowed to die. Ron Paul isn't one of them. There are more extreme libertarians than Ron Paul.
Wait, what?
You people talk out both sides of your mouth, you say people are dieing from lack of health care and here you say that people were getting free health care before? Which is it?
drbrumley
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No, there is no misunderstanding....you specifically posted that video of a Republican debate with Ron Paul speaking to attempt to mock the position of libertarians and Tea Party folks by suggesting they endorse letting a man die if he can't pay. That was the premise of Wolf's question. Again, not one person in that audience think people like the man in question should be allowed to die. That is what makes you a liar. That one guy who yelled yeah was in response to Wolf's gotcha question. Listen to it again.
drbrumley
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Thank you!!!!! Outstanding question!!!!