I am not God. I am not holy, I cannot righteously hold anyone accountable for their actions because I am as much a sinner as they are! I wouldn't sacrifice something so precious as offspring for them.
You can forgive them but you can't hold them accountable? What makes the difference? I say you can't do either, except to the extent that God has delegated to you to do.
I didn't say he forgives those who do not repent but He is offering salvation and forgiveness to those that have not repented. And its not the repenting that saves them, it is the acceptance of the gift of God. Repentance is evidence they've understood.
I'm willing to forgive those who have not repented, if they repent. Same as He is.
I didn't say you didn't but if you HATE them in the human sense, how can you?
Who said anything about hating in the human sense? As David wrote in Psalm 139, "I hate them with perfect hatred." That is not of the flesh, it is from God. For there is nothing perfect of the flesh, only that which is of God is perfect. Perfect love and perfect hate go hand in hand.
Not forgiving someone that has wronged you is holding a grudge.
No it isn't. Letting it go for yourself is not the same as forgiving them.:nono:
Obviously you'd explain to them why it was wrong. You really have some whacked out concept of forgiveness too. But there are some that will refuse to accept that they were wrong. They are blinded to their own sin. Is it right for me to maintain anger and hatred towards this person? If I maintain hatred it is MY spirit that will be damaged. Hate is not a fruit of the spirit.
You don't know what forgiveness or hate, either one, are. If you do not abhor [hate] that which is evil then your love is hypocritical. [Romans 12:9]
Some may recognize what they did as evil but simply not care. Not everyone is going to repent. You're not living in the real world if you think that.
I never thought all would repent. But if I want to do my best to lead them to it I cannot forgive them while they have yet to do so.
Hello! Do good to those that hate and persecute you? Do you think I can do that if I haven't forgiven them and still HATE them?
You think it's good to forgive people while they remain in wickedness? Would it be good to let your children disrespect you and just forgive them without them changing their mind?
Receive God's gift of forgiveness and repent.
There is no getting right with God. The only chance we have is if He makes us right. Which He has promised to do if we accept it.
Because, as a human being, hate destroys me. As an imperfect human being I can't ask perfection of another. God's ways are not our ways. We can't do things "because God does them". That's faulty logic. God isn't a sinful creature of flesh and blood as we are. Christ IS God in human flesh, therefore we follow HIS example of a perfect human life. Where does Christ say that he hates the evildoers?
Is Christ God?
And, again, we're not talking about the same hate you are.
you don't think if they treated even a guilty man that way they would have to repent? Secondly, even if you commit a sin unaware, you are not innocent of that sin. They would still need to repent.
First off, those of whom He spoke did nothing wrong in their treatment of one guilty of those things which He was accused. Even though they were not doing them because God commanded them, they were still doing what God commanded in that regard.
Secondly, what makes it a sin? If they believed Him to be guilty where is the sin?
That's funny, I don't know any verses that say faith=repentance. Its highly unlikely he understood the full extent of his sins when Jesus said what he did.
I never said faith=repentance. I said that fact that they had faith shows that they were repentant. You don't come in faith unless you are repentant.
YOU can't STOP them! You give them the gospel, its God's work to bring them the rest of the way.
When have I ever said otherwise?
You mean the guy that repeatedly lied, committed adultery and murder? He's just as flawed as the rest of us, and I think he's giving his opinion in that Psalm. Plus it isn't MEANT to be a detailed explanation of doctrine. Its poetry and you should respect that genre.
As a poet I know what poetry is. And poetry can be made from truth. Not to mention, Psalms is not the only book that states God hates evil/wicked people. See Tom's post to Town Heretic that Knight gave POTD.
We would hope. But sometimes the forgiveness comes first and sparks repentance. I repay their evil actions with good that I heap burning coals on their heads that may bring them to repentance. If you simply hate them, why would they see you as any different than any other evildoer?
No one ever said anything about repaying evil for evil. We all know that would be evil. Nor did we say we simply hate them. We hate them with perfect hatred because we love them with perfect love.
It is good to punish evil, and to do that we must punish the ones who practice evil. That is the good with which we repay. For it is that good that shows them they are in the wrong. And it shows them just how evil they are. It gives them a reason to repent. For if we simply forgive them then how do they ever learn that they are evil and therefore need to stop doing evil things? If you're just going to keep forgiving them, why should they do anything different?
Les Miserables does come in a musical form, but the movie version isn't a musical. Stop complaining and just go watch the thing.
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