beloved57
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You affirm that Justified men are lost. Blasphemy
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You affirm that Justified men are lost. Blasphemy
Bradley D
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That is not a yes or no question. Christ died for all sinners. Those who believe in Christ, repent, amend their lives and stay with Christ will be saved. Those who reject Christ will not be saved.
Bradley D
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No it does not. If one rejects Christ how can they be saved. The world/satan has stolen many souls, Few will be saved.
This is called begging the question.
It's a logical fallacy for a reason.
Don't use logical fallacies to defend your beliefs. It just shows how weak your position is.
beloved57
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Yes it does. If Christ died for one, and that one is lost in their sins anyway, then Christs death doesnt save them. That strips Christ death of its saving efficacy, not good !
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OZOS
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Nope, not "blasphemy" it is simply that you falsely equate it's use with salvation on every occasion.
This reveals your ignorance of the Bible and the gospel.
ALL men have been justified by His blood.
You pervert the word "all"
"Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him." Romans 5:9
"Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgmentcame to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free giftcame to all men, resulting in justification of life". Romans 5:18
The entire world was reconciled unto God. You pervert the word "world"
"God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation." 2 Cor 5:12
"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." 1 John 2:2
Your perversion of words reveals that you are outside the faith.
OZOS
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You add works to the gospel for men to be saved.
Men believe in Jesus BECAUSE they can't "amend" their lives.
You are outside the faith.
beloved57
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It's blasphemy and unscriptural to affirm that Justified people are lost.
beloved57
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You have your nerves. You teach men are saved by work, an act they perform. If they don't perform the act you say they are lost regardless if Christ died for them or not!
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Since practically all of your opinions are un-scriptural or anti-scriptural.... who cares what you say?
OZOS
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False. I've already proven, from the words of the apostle Paul, who clearly said that believing is NOT a "work". You claim that the apostle Paul is a liar, and that the Bible does not stand up to the words of John Calvin. Believers in Jesus (not you) affirm that the Bible is true and the John Calvin and you are false teachers with a false gospel.
beloved57
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Not Paul but you teach salvation is by works
OZOS
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Belief is not a work. Paul said so (Romans 4:5). But, you hate Paul, the Bible, the Gospel, and Jesus.
beloved57
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False statement. Paul never stated that believing isn't a work. You teach that people Christ died for are lost!
OZOS
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Nope, your own words condemn you.
He did. He said so right here.
"But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness"
No, the Bible does. You should read it.
"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
You have "lost" the debate. Your foolish and egregious cult has been fully exposed.
beloved57
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Again, Paul never stated that believing wasnt a work. Rom 4:5 dosent say that, you cant read it appears. And again, you teach people Christ shed His Blood for are lost, which means you believe that His death for people in and of itself saves no one, which is blasphemy and unbelief.
I have showed that people Christ died for are Justified and reconciled to God, which means they are saved ! Unless you claim that a reconciled person and a justified person are lost !
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It's stunning how you boldly reject scripture and yet claim otherwise.
The word you're looking for is "heresy," but it's not that either.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
In order for Paul to say....
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, - Romans 4:5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV
... "believing" cannot be classified as "works," otherwise he would contradict himself.
If believing was a work, then why would Paul say "but to him who does not work, but [works]..."?
Beloved57, can you quote Romans 4:5 for us without copying and pasting from somewhere?
Try to think through logically what it's saying by simply reading through what it says. That means taking off your Calvinist colored glasses for a moment, so that you can read it objectively.
No, the Bible teaches.
It also teaches that any who believe in Him will be saved.
It teaches that those whom Christ died for (everyone) is justified, reconciled. Whether they choose to accept the free gift of salvation (believing, which isn't a work according to Paul) is up to them, and if they choose to reject that gift their entire life, then they will go to Hell on their own decision, not on God's, for God is not willing that ANY should perish.