Jesus CANNOT be Jehovah/YHVH God

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clefty said:
Here are they that have the faith OF Yahushua...not in Him but the same faith...His Way...follow Him ...do as He did...love as He loved you...keeping His Father’s commandments...His will...on earth as it is in heaven...
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There is a new covenant and observing special days is now worthless when it comes to our salvation.
 
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Tambora said:
AMEN sister!

Not to mention that the Lord Jesus Christ said that He did not come to do away with one jot or tittle of the law.

Also not to mention that heaven and earth are still around.
And also that it was not just the law that was to be fulfilled, but the law & the prophets.

The law has not gone away.
Heaven and earth are still around.
The law & the prophets have not been fulfilled.
Yet.
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And you nailed them with one fell swoop. :thumb:
 
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glorydaz said:
No, the Jews were only set aside until a future date.

Romans 11:1-2a I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.​

So God turned to the Gentiles with the Gospel of Grace until the time of the Gentiles be full. Do not be ignorant of this mystery.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:​
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Indeed...ONE LAW for jews and goyim alike...NO DISTINCTION...in HIM ONE NEW CREATURE...citizen of Israel...just like when the church was in the wilderness as poor Stephen described it...we see that EXACTLY demonstrated in the EX 20:10 Sabbath given to the strangers in their gates...neat eh? The Sabbath the only commandment that specifically INCLUDES US...Remember?

More like Him His ways...the Lord of the Sabbath...on earth as it is in heaven...His will be done...
 
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Dartman said:
Yes they do! They don't receive a person, they receive a power, and new thinking..... God's power, and God's thinking.
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No. The saved receive the Spirit of God the Father and Jesus, and we obey his teachings and change our thinking.
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Then what's this verse mean?

Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
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That scripture is about angels God put over the churches in the New Testament times. Angels are spirits.

Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Dartman said:
Yes, here is how that works;

Eph 4:17-24 So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart;
19 and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.
20 But you did not learn Christ in this way,
21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus,
22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit,
23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
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You are trying to say that the Spirit of Jesus is just you changing your thoughts, but you are wrong. We do have to change our thoughts to his, but he really is Spirit and lives in the saved.
 
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clefty said:
Indeed...ONE LAW for jews and goyim alike...NO DISTINCTION...in HIM ONE NEW CREATURE...citizen of Israel...just like when the church was in the wilderness as poor Stephen described it...we see that EXACTLY demonstrated in the EX 20:10 Sabbath given to the strangers in their gates...neat eh? The Sabbath the only commandment that specifically INCLUDES US...Remember?

More like Him His ways...the Lord of the Sabbath...on earth as it is in heaven...His will be done...
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Nope. You need to stop making things up.
 
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No. The saved receive the Spirit of God the Father and Jesus, and we obey his teachings and change our thinking.

That scripture is about angels God put over the churches in the New Testament times. Angels are spirits.

Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?


You are trying to say that the Spirit of Jesus is just you changing your thoughts, but you are wrong. We do have to change our thoughts to his, but he really is Spirit and lives in the saved.
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Change our thoughts to His? Well except when He thought to worship on the seventh day Sabbath as was His custom to do...
 
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glorydaz said:
Nope. You need to stop making things up.
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What church too rigid fer ya?

How about assembly or congregation the bride you know, His people...which included the strangers within their gates...co heirs of the kingdom...

ONE LAW...Spirit given to those who obey and working righteousness is acceptance... obedient and with NO distinction from the faith first being saved and then same works...repentance in the same faith OF Yahushua not just in Him...

Stop dividing His house...between those that do and those that don’t...but claim they can be lay about LAYodiceans...
 
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clefty said:
What church too rigid fer ya?

How about assembly or congregation the bride you know, His people...which included the strangers within their gates...co heirs of the kingdom...

ONE LAW...Spirit given to those who obey and working righteousness is acceptance... obedient and with NO distinction from the faith first being saved and then same works...repentance in the same faith OF Yahushua not just in Him...

Stop dividing His house...between those that do and those that don’t...but claim they can be lay about LAYodiceans...
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Cut the chit chat crap. Stick with the facts.

You fail because you try and lump all churches into one. There were gentiles who were circumcised and there were gentiles who blessed Israel. All were accepted by God through Israel.

None of that has a thing to do with the Church today where there is no Jew nor Greek.
 
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glorydaz said:
He was a Jew according to the flesh. Lest you forget once again.
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flesh to twinkle into glorified flesh that lives according to spiritual principals HIS WILL on earth as it is in heaven...


2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
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Right but IN HIM the Lord of the Sabbath what happens?...we are NEW...a new circumcised creature...following HIM HIS WAYS...and not our old fleshy ways...but AS HE LIVED...by faith and the spirit...not the letter of the Law...as any believing jew does...

And His people Israel do...is why goyim begged Paul to teach again the next Sabbath and NOT the next day which they were raptured to worship or the next day after that...NOPE those goyim WANTED NO DISTINCTION...

Cornelius was devout faithful feared Yah fasted gave alms...obeyed and was blessed...became co heir...grafted in, adopted into, His people...IN HIM citizen of Israel...

The grafted branches do not change the root or trunk...and still produce fruit SIMILAR...

Do works of righteousness His works...become accepted for that...given the Spirit to be more like Him His ways...a holy people...circumcised distinct from the world and former selves...
 
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glorydaz said:
No, the Jews were only set aside until a future date.

Romans 11:1-2a I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.​

So God turned to the Gentiles with the Gospel of Grace until the time of the Gentiles be full. Do not be ignorant of this mystery.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:​
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Correct! .... AND, ONLY those Jews that rejected Jesus were "set aside". Granted, that appears to be the VAST majority of the Jews of that era, but there were literally thousands of Jews that were baptized into the Church in the early days of the NT.
 
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