Rosenritter
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Perhaps you might explain how the question was loaded.
In the twinkling of an eye
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Perhaps you might explain how the question was loaded.
ok doser
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Rosenritter
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Your first two yes answers are directly contradicted by your third yes answer. If both concepts are so linked that they cannot be logically separated, then how does a person believe the first without the second, or the second without the first?
a) Can one believe in Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory without accepting Dispensationalism?
b) Can one believe in Dispensationalism without believing in Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory?
c) Are these two concepts (beliefs) linked or depending on one another that they cannot be logically separated?
You answered YES to all of those. Did you misread one of the questions?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
the first two don't assume logic or rationality :idunno:
genuineoriginal
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glorydaz
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It certainly highlights your stupidity. :chuckle:
Sure...That is slick, Willy Humpty.....real slick....
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
glorydaz
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TOL's Provoker of the Year Award goes to Rosie Ritter
:listen: The chest-pounder is YOU, rosie.
1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV - 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:52 NASB - 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Right Divider
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Rosenritter
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Unless you clarify otherwise, I will interpret your answer that "Pre Trib Rapture" theory and "Dispensationalist" theory are just two names for the same doctrine. This also agrees with how Genuine Original (the non-Dispenationalist) said earlier.
Rosenritter
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I was hoping that you would offer rational answers for all three questions.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
imo, that is a logical conclusion :thumb:
others** may believe differently :idunno:
**others who are not using logic or rationality, imo
Rosenritter
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Clete has been on my ignore list for a few months now, so don't depend on him to answer questions for you that you cannot.
Rosenritter
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Are there any others "who believe differently" to your knowledge, like a particular group or preacher?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
none come to mind at the moment, but it's not my area of interest/study
Rosenritter
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Do you have any idea why Clete and Right Divider were offended at that question of whether those beliefs were separable?
Rosenritter
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Just thought to check Wikipedia for some more input:
Pre-tribulational Premillennialism[edit]
The pre-tribulation position advocates that the rapture will occur before the beginning of a seven-year tribulation period, while the second coming will occur at the end of it. Pre-tribulationists often describe the rapture as Jesus coming for the church and the second coming as Jesus coming with the church. Pre-tribulation educators and preachers include Jimmy Swaggart, J. Dwight Pentecost, Tim LaHaye, J. Vernon McGee, Perry Stone, Chuck Smith, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, Chuck Missler, Grant Jeffrey, Thomas Ice, David Jeremiah, John F. MacArthur, and John Hagee.[44] While many pre-tribulationists are also dispensationalists, not all pre-tribulationists are dispensationalists.[45]
John Nelson Darby first proposed and popularized the pre-tribulation rapture in 1827.[46] This view was accepted among many other Plymouth Brethren movements in England. Darby and other prominent Brethren were part of the Brethren movement which impacted American Christianity, especially with movements and teachings associated with Christian eschatology and fundamentalism, primarily through their writings. Influences included the Bible Conference Movement, starting in 1878 with the Niagara Bible Conference. These conferences, which were initially inclusive of historicist and futurist premillennialism, led to an increasing acceptance of futurist premillennial views and the pre-tribulation rapture especially among Presbyterian, Baptist, and Congregational members.[47] Popular books also contributed to acceptance of the pre-tribulation rapture, including William E. Blackstone's book Jesus is Coming, published in 1878,[48] which sold more than 1.3 million copies, and the Scofield Reference Bible, published in 1909 and 1919 and revised in 1967.[49]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
And this...
Other concepts also predated dispensationalism as a system, such as premillennialism and the rapture.[19]
Dispensationalism developed as a system from the teachings of John Nelson Darby (1800–82) who strongly influenced the Plymouth Brethren of the 1830s in Ireland and England. The original concept came when Darby considered the implications of Isaiah 32 for Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
Pre-tribulational Premillennialism[edit]
The pre-tribulation position advocates that the rapture will occur before the beginning of a seven-year tribulation period, while the second coming will occur at the end of it. Pre-tribulationists often describe the rapture as Jesus coming for the church and the second coming as Jesus coming with the church. Pre-tribulation educators and preachers include Jimmy Swaggart, J. Dwight Pentecost, Tim LaHaye, J. Vernon McGee, Perry Stone, Chuck Smith, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, Chuck Missler, Grant Jeffrey, Thomas Ice, David Jeremiah, John F. MacArthur, and John Hagee.[44] While many pre-tribulationists are also dispensationalists, not all pre-tribulationists are dispensationalists.[45]
John Nelson Darby first proposed and popularized the pre-tribulation rapture in 1827.[46] This view was accepted among many other Plymouth Brethren movements in England. Darby and other prominent Brethren were part of the Brethren movement which impacted American Christianity, especially with movements and teachings associated with Christian eschatology and fundamentalism, primarily through their writings. Influences included the Bible Conference Movement, starting in 1878 with the Niagara Bible Conference. These conferences, which were initially inclusive of historicist and futurist premillennialism, led to an increasing acceptance of futurist premillennial views and the pre-tribulation rapture especially among Presbyterian, Baptist, and Congregational members.[47] Popular books also contributed to acceptance of the pre-tribulation rapture, including William E. Blackstone's book Jesus is Coming, published in 1878,[48] which sold more than 1.3 million copies, and the Scofield Reference Bible, published in 1909 and 1919 and revised in 1967.[49]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
And this...
Other concepts also predated dispensationalism as a system, such as premillennialism and the rapture.[19]
Dispensationalism developed as a system from the teachings of John Nelson Darby (1800–82) who strongly influenced the Plymouth Brethren of the 1830s in Ireland and England. The original concept came when Darby considered the implications of Isaiah 32 for Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
All this to avoid the Law...and of those 1 particular one...