Cruciform
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Already answered (Post #183).
ECT FAITH ALONE: DID JESUS TEACH IT?
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beloved57
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Your false teaching continues!
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So, once again, no proof whatsoever. What a surprise. :yawn:
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The statements in Post #183 stand exactly as posted.
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Right back at you, friend.
You're welcome
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You're ignorant.
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Because the Catholic Church is that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself, and against which he declared that the gates of Hades would never prevail (Mt. 16:18-19). This one historic Church is therefore the only Church established by Christ to guide and teach the faithful in his own name and by his very authority (Mt. 28:18-20; 1 Tim. 3:15).
As far as there having been false teachers in the early Church:
"...apostolic succession affirms that Christian truths were accurately transmitted within the Church, so that the teachings of any Church authority at any time could be traced back in an unbroken chain to the apostles, and through them to Jesus himself. You knew you could trust the teachings of your bishop because he would have gotten his teachings from his predecessor, and so on, going all the way back to Christ.
"To be sure, as we have already noted, some bishops did deviate from what they had received and to that extent they are considered heretics. But that's the point. When they were faithful to the Tradition, their teachings were trustworthy. So this is not to claim that there was never dissent or disagreement in the early Church---indeed there was, and it was precisely this disagreement that led to the discussion of theological concepts, ans eventually to authoritative decisions about how to understand the person and work of Jesus Christ, and how to interpret Scripture. Eventually the debates led to councils of bishops, the successors of the apostles gathering to clarify the correct interpretations of Jesus' intentions for the church and of the apostolic writings. These conclusions of the early Church Fathers and the councils of bishops were confirmed as the dogmas of Christianity---the theological positions that were consistent with the conclusions of the previous generations, going all the way back to the apostles" (James Papandrea, HANDED DOWN: The Catholic Faith of the Early Christians [Catholic Answers Press, 2015], pp. 14-15).
I highly recommend this informed and well-written text:
J. Papandrea, HANDED DOWN: The Catholic Faith of the Early Christians (Catholic Answers Press, 2015)
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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The Catholic denomination does things God says not to do. That is not the true church.
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Only according to the opinions of your chosen man-made non-Catholic sect, which is itself certainly not Christ's one historic Church. However, as I've already shown, the Catholic Church is indeed that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself. Therefore, if your preferred sect disagrees with any of her doctrines, your sect must simply and necessarily be wrong.
(Incidentally, the Catholic Church, by definition, is not---indeed cannot be---a "denomination.")
Catholics are mean for sure !
Who planted the church at Antioch? Acts says that after Stephen's death, believers were scattered "except the apostles" (Acts 8:1) Some of those scattered went as far as Antioch, preached to people there, and converted many (Acts 11). We know none of these were apostles, and we know none of them were sent by apostles to found a church. Yet a church was founded.
Barnabas was sent by the Apostles to check on them after this, strongly indicating the church there was already established. The Church at Antioch is immensely important, being the origin of the word "Christian", and base of operations for Paul. Yet it would seem it was founded outside apostolic succession, which tells me AS is not necessary.
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The Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination with roughly 1.2 billion members—slightly over half of all Christians worldwide—making it the world's second largest religious denomination after Sunni Islam.
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Christian denomination
The Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination with roughly 1.2 billion members—slightly over half of all Christians worldwide—making it the world's second largest religious denomination after Sunni Islam.
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Cruciform
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Back to Post #204.
I don't see 204
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Peter never considered himself to be anyone special aside from his personal knowledge of Jesus. Paul and John certainly never esteemed themselves lower than Peter in their knowledge of Jesus nor their establishing of the facts of all things Jesus Christ, including establishing His Supreme Church; His "Body".
God's Truth
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The Catholic denomination does things that God says not to do, as written in the Holy Bible.
As for calling the Catholic denomination 'denomination', it is a denomination, for it is like the other denominations in that it has many false teachings.
The true church are true worshipers, as taught by the apostles themselves, in the New Testament.
His body is the universal church
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OK. I believe that. Define universal church. It is these:
"And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:13-14 (KJV)
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:yawn:...according to the opinions of your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect, anyway.
Nope. A denomination, by definition, has broken off from some previously-existing original church, as yours has. The Catholic Church, however, being that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself, cannot have ever separated from any prior church, and therefore, simply cannot be considered a "denomination." Sorry for your confusion.
THIS is the biblical teaching regarding Christ's one historic Church.