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Paul does NOT preach faith without obedience.
Paul says faith without works, as in the ceremonial/purification works one used to have to do.
ECT FAITH ALONE: DID JESUS TEACH IT?
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Paul does NOT preach faith without obedience.
Paul says faith without works, as in the ceremonial/purification works one used to have to do.
One can try to live a good life through good works/deeds and obedience to God's laws and still end up being judged by their works and cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. In order for one to be "truly saved," they must have heard the true Gospel, placed their faith in Christ as their Savior, been sealed and indwelt by the Holy Spirit and baptized (not by water) into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. We don't save ourselves, God gives His Grace as a free gift to men of faith.
You made that last part up yourself. You preach a false Gospel.
GT is trying her best to EARN her eternal life. It won't work.
Preaching false doctrine is not a good attribute. It makes one an enemy of the "True Gospel" and a heretic.
Both GT and Meshak share a common bond of preaching a false gospel.
James says; Faith without works is dead." However, he was speaking to the scattered tribes of Israel and not to the Gentiles. The Jews (at that time) had to have faith in Christ plus works. Whereas, the Gentiles were only to have faith alone. The Gentiles were never given the law nor did they live under the law.
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No, not 'try' we must do it.
It is not God's law according to the old law, but Jesus' teachings in the new law.
How do you ever get that God would throw someone in the lake of fire if they did what He says to do?
1 Peter 1:13 Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good?
Proverbs 12:21
No harm overtakes the righteous, but the wicked have their fill of trouble.
Titus 2:14
who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
Did you read those scriptures?
Did you read what Titus says?
Jesus GAVE HIMSELF for those who are EAGER TO DO WHAT IS GOOD.
Read what John 7:18 says.
That scripture says there is NOTHING FALSE in the one who seeks the glory of God.
Jesus saves us all on his own, and he chooses those he saves.
Jesus tells us whom he saves. Jesus SAYS he chooses those who obey him.
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Paul a pharisee enforced the ceremonial/purification works which were enforce for over 1,600 years.
I really think the Matthew'Gospel wants enphasize that Jesus came for the house of Israel,the Bible chosen people. His first Hour disciples, the primitive churches founders and Gospel writers,also extended "the Word" to no Jews; otherwise the Cristianity ,numerical apeaking,would have been very little.
These first Hour disciples continue the God's plan or are only ambitious men Who Did not accept what they evalueted a small result?
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Now go ahead and cite the single biblical text in which the words "faith" and "alone" actually appear together. :yawn:
Cruciform
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Try again.
Try again.
Try again.
Try again.
It's abundant proof that you're simply wrong on every point, have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and that your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Christian sect is definitely not Christ's one historic Church. That status belongs solely to the Catholic Church.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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I obey Jesus by not calling my brothers in Christ 'father'. How do you obey that?
Let's start there.
No excuses.
What say you?
Cruciform
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Already answered in my previous post just above.
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Just look at your "pope". Does he look like the person Jesus tells us to be?
Why do you follow a man who looks like the opposite of Christ?
The Catholic's pope wears long flowing robe.
He takes the seat of most importance.
He allows people to bow to him and kiss his feet.
You are worshiping a mere man!
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To quote from my previous post from the thread "The Church" (Post #191):
"Unless GT's preferred non-Catholic sect is in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D.---and against which he declared that the gates of Hades will never prevail (Mt. 16:18-19)---then whatever doctrinal opinions and interpretations he has derived from that chosen man-made sect simply cannot possess the authority of Jesus Christ (Mt. 28:18-20; Ac. 16:4; 2 Thess. 3:4; 1 Tim. 3:15), and so can carry no binding authority for believers whatsoever. They are nothing more than mere human opinions---the fallible traditions of men. Thus, for his opinions to carry any weight at all, GT needs to demonstrate that his favored man-made sect is in fact Christ's one historic Church. Let's have it, then."
Go ahead, then, and post your proof. Until you do, nothing you say here will carry any authoritative weight whatsoever, nor can it. :nono:
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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I am far less concerned with your claims of authority than I am with God's truth. You are so concerned about authority you have come to believe that authority equals truth. It does not.
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Those truth-claims which derive from Jesus Christ himself---and which therefore carry his very authority (Mt. 28:18-20; Lk. 10:16; Ac. 16:4; 2 Thess. 3:4; 1 Tim. 3:15)---are thus revealed as true; those that do not derive from Jesus Christ himself do not carry his divine authority, and are thus revealed as false. This has always been how a truth-seeker was to recognize "the Spirit of truth from the spirit of error" (1 Jn. 4:6)---by the demonstrable fact that it derives from Jesus Christ himself as delivered to the faithful by the Holy Spirit in and through the authoritative teachings of Christ's one historic Church.
Now CM doesn't like this truth for the glaring fact that his own preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect is decidedly NOT that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself, and so his sect's opinions simply cannot carry the interpretive and doctrinal authority with which the Lord endowed his Church. This is the very same inescapable dilemma that must be faced by every Protestant (non-Catholic) who presumes to express his favored sect's interpretive and doctrinal opinions on this forum.
Gaudium de veritate,
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The gates of Hades not prevailing against is about the gates of Hades not being able to keep Jesus in Hades after he died on the cross, for that is where he went after he died. That proves the church is Jesus' body. That is how the gate of Hell cannot prevail. Jesus is the church that was in Hell. The gates could not keep him there.
There is no denomination which is the true church, for the true church are those in the body of Christ.
Jesus' words are the authority. We are not to follow tradition or church laws or any human rules as authority for the church (Matthew 15:1-14; Colossians 2:8; Galatians 1:6-9; Proverbs 14:12; 2 John 9-11; Jeremiah 10:23).
Your problem is that you have never been able to prove that Protesants have not been sanctioned by Chirst to be teachers. You can prove that they don't come from your preferred man made tradition of Catholicisim, but you cannot prove that Jesus did not choose them. Your fallacy is your underlying assumption that since the papacy is so old it must be right. Any church founded on and rooted in the teachings of Christ is a church founded by Christ Himself. Remember what Jesus said, "Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, there I am in their midst." It's not about how old your church is, it's about Who your church worships.