Arthur Brain
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Your claims can be dismissed accordingly.
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Right Divider
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Read it again:
That is the very definition of materialism.
Science is far more than just that.
Arthur Brain
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I read it the first time. That isn't "materialism".
Right Divider
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Natural world = material world = materialism.
Science is NOT limited to the "natural world".
Arthur Brain
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That still isn't "materialism". What else is science involved in, the supernatural?
Right Divider
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Yes, it is. If you try (unsuccessfully) to LIMIT "science" to the material world... that is, BY DEFINITION, materialism.
I understand that you have a materialist bias, but no... I would say that science involves ALL areas of human existence... that includes the immaterial.
https://kgov.com/list-of-things-that-are-not-physical
Arthur Brain
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No, it isn't as you can familiarize yourself with by looking up the definition. Even the philosophical definition doesn't hold up. Sure, science is involved in areas besides the physical so no limiting going on here. It depends on the branch.
Right Divider
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Read it again:
AO's definition of science is most certainly limiting "science" to the NATURAL world (i.e., the PHYSICAL world).
Arthur Brain
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The thread in question was about evolution so in context there was nothing wrong with AO's statement. This is kinda lame RD.
Right Divider
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So you've removed God from any guidance of your "evolution"? Are you a deist now?
The lame one here is you.
Arthur Brain
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No and neither did Alate. Grow up.
Highly respected secular researchers have suggested aliens must have played a part in human development and the continuance of life on earth. Just because secularists are respected does not make their silly scientific speculations realistic.
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1104/1104.4462.pdf - Aliens may eat us scientific paper.
"A core concern is that ETI will learn of our presence and quickly travel to Earth to eat or enslave
us." (P. 18.)
The Origins of Directed Panspermia
Crick and Orgel also suggest that the universe is sufficiently old that other intelligent civilizations could had arisen elsewhere. One of these other intelligent civilizations could have built a spaceship and seeded the universe with life. One can easily imagine a not too distant future where humans accept that our planet and all that lives within it will perish. In the unlikelihood that this is the only planet that harbors life in the universe its demise would leave a lifeless universe.
Secular science cannot provide any reasonable scientific explanation for the origin of the universe and the origin of life on earth because secular science refuses to acknowledge the very real scientific possibility of God.
Arthur Brain
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More clueless...
I claim secularists cannot provide solid scientific explanations for the origin of the universe and the origin of life on earth apart from God. You disagree yet do not provide any substantive refutation of my claim.
Did these aliens have the power of God?
Did these same aliens create the universe?
Who created the aliens?
I don't share silly ideas about aliens that unbelievers come up with in their rebellion against God.
Right Divider
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Your definition (if you agree with AO and you seem to) is limited to the "natural world".
Please explain how that works. Did God just set the natural world in motion and then sit back and watch? That's not what He said that He did. But is that what you believe?
I am... you are the childish one here.
ok doser
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I've never understood people like barbie and ala who believe in a god-guided evolution. Evolution by its very nature is unjust and ungodly, dependent upon a mechanism of disease and death of the weakest organisms to drive the fairytale of the spontaneous generation of an advanced organism.
Arthur Brain
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If that's what you gleaned from AO's thread then you really weren't paying attention to it. Science itself is entirely neutral on the topic of evolution. It didn't come about by atheistic philosophy by way of. The theory became established because of the abundance of evidence that supports it, regardless of how much that may irk you. Alate showed that there isn't any need for cognitive dissonance with accepting such and having faith while simultaneously explaining in painstaking detail as to how young earth creationism doesn't hold up to scientific scrutiny. She's not a deist and neither am I.
There's nothing 'childish' about anything I'm posting to you here but if snark is your 'go to' then hey, have at it as you will.