Who died on the cross? - a Hall of Fame thread.

[uk_mikey]

Remember God is not limited to some anthropomorphic form as in "I will go down now and see" - such is silly. - All life, being, energy, spirit, space, matter exists in the Omnipresence of God. - and Gods infinite Awareness cannot be divorced from His Presence. God encompasses the Whole of His creation, - he knows all that exists to be known.

paul

That was really what I was alluding to when making the question about Abraham's conversation.
You just go to the heart of the matter. I was skirting around it.

God talking to Abraham would not have been some discussion 'in person', like some talking cloud or as a glowing figure (and God didn't become a man until much later).

 

[uk_mikey]

You are a godless, piece of cat poop, in which God does not dwell. An unholy, homo lover of Satan.

Take a hike, you pervert.

Might that answer my question about 'hiding' from God in cat poop? :think:

 

[RobE]

God does NOT dwell in hell 24/7, that is blasphemy!

Why do you insistently compare and contrast Our Lord with mankind. Is God a man in your mind? Your statement speaks of God experiencing hell like man would experience it. By 'dwell' what do you mean? Does God dwell in a bush, Heaven, or within the hearts of certain men? What's the point of your statement other than promoting God to a Zeus-like stature?

My point here is: Your statement pre-supposes that God dwells somewhere. Is that pre-supposition true?

When people choose to live eternally without God they go to a place where God is not: hell. God is free. God isn't trapped by His own omnipresence. The Bible does not describe God as being forced to be everywhere at once, that's disgusting and perverted.

Nothing forces God. However, God's attributes, or essence if you prefer, are unalterable. Is one of His attributes to be present everywhere simultaneously since nothing is hidden from Him?

Another slip in the slope.

Rob Mauldin

 

[PKevman]

Omnipresence does not imply that God is forced to be anywhere, but that God is already by His Ubiquitous nature, Everywhere.



paul

That's an oxymoron. If God is literally Everywhere, then He is in cat poop, He is in your toilet, and He has no choice whatsoever about where He is. He is powerless and unable to exercise sovereignty over His own Omnipresence.

This stuff sometimes goes beyond silly. How far people will go to cling to their misconceptions about the Lord and deny the Scriptures outright!

 

[PKevman]

Is one of His attributes to be present everywhere simultaneously since nothing is hidden from Him?

Or nothing is hidden from Him because He can see anything and everything that He chooses to see at any given moment in time. He is not limited in any way.

This does not require Him to be present everywhere simultaneously.
The whole heart of this debate is always missed by Calvinists and others who cling to these unBiblical ideas. The discussion isn't what God CAN or CAN'T do, but what DOES God do? If we examine the Scriptures we see the truth.

Again, there are tons of contradictions that you cannot deal with if you cling to omnipresences. There are no contradictions if you remove your theological predispositions and study God's Word anew!


Please allow me introduce you to God as He really is: God is wherever He wants to be, whenever He wants to be there. God is not some metaphysical force that has no choice where He goes and what He does. He is living, and He is real. If there is somewhere that He chooses not to be, then He doesn’t have to be there!

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Another slip in the slope.

Yep!

And skiing down this slope of garbage that dead theologians have created is a blast! Get off the chair lift Robb, the skiing is great!

 

[godrulz]

How stupid are you? For God to be present everywhere, He would have to be IN everything.

No, you confuse biblical omnipresence with pagan pantheism. How stupid are you?

We do know that God is ontologically distinct from creation as the uncreated Creator. His awareness and presence is everywhere at once. He is not confined to one locality like Satan, man, angels (JW view also). The exact nature of omnipresence is not revealed, but there is biblical support for it (as long as we avoid pantheism).

 

[PKevman]

No, you confuse biblical omnipresence with pagan pantheism. How stupid are you?

We do know that God is ontologically distinct from creation as the uncreated Creator. His awareness and presence is everywhere at once. He is not confined to one locality like Satan, man, angels (JW view also). The exact nature of omnipresence is not revealed, but there is biblical support for it (as long as we avoid pantheism).

If God is omnipresent, how could He EVER cast ANYONE out of His presence?

 

[PKevman]

Sorry godrulz, but omnipresence is NOT Biblical and there is absolutely no REAL difference between "Omni" ALL-presence, and pantheism. Pantheism is where the doctrine of omnipresence actually came from, NOT the Word of God!

 

[PKevman]

No, you confuse biblical omnipresence with pagan pantheism. How stupid are you?

You're a hypocrite for deriding Mystery for how he talks to you. You're just goading him with comments like this!

 

[beloved57]

pk ask

If God is omnipresent, how could He EVER cast ANYONE out of His presence?

He cant..

And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

So do you think that God no longer saw cain ? Duh..

 

[godrulz]

If God is omnipresent, how could He EVER cast ANYONE out of His presence?

The issues are relational more than ontological. Minimally, can we say that God's awareness is everywhere and the basis for being able to judge every word and thought of all men at all times (even if some think He is confined to one locale with a form, yet somehow still aware of all things; avoid JW or Mormon views that limit God)?

We can affirm the texts as they stand, but can only speculate on the exact nature/details of an eternal spirit that is not limited like created spirits are.

 

[Mystery]

No, you confuse biblical omnipresence with pagan pantheism. How stupid are you?

Nowhere near as stupid as you.

I am not confused about anything, but YOU are clearly a godless perverter of the truth.

God is not present everywhere. God is present where God chooses to be. Since when did you start adopting pagan Greek philosophies to define a god whom you have turned into a robot?


Present "everywhere", means that there is nowhere that God is not present. Use your head for something besides a place for Satan to rest his hat.

God can be everywhere, if that is what God wants, but that is not what He has chosen.

You have a small god, whom you limit with your ortho box.

 

[beloved57]

Present "everywhere", means that there is nowhere that God is not present.

It means everything and everywhere and everyone is in His prescence..

 

[godrulz]

God is not present everywhere. God is present where God chooses to be. Since when did you start adopting pagan Greek philosophies to define a god whom you have turned into a robot?

Since when did you start pretending (adopting) you are a TOL Open Theist buddy?

Is God omnipotent? Is this pagan Greek philosophy? Is God eternal? Is God omniscient (knows all that is knowable)?

Is this another heaven-hell issue (meaning virtually all Christians are going to hell for rejecting your new adopted view that you likely did not hold before TOL)?

 

[Ecumenicist]

Sorry godrulz, but omnipresence is NOT Biblical

Except for the verses that support it in Psalms, Jeremiah, Matthew, and Ephesians at
minimum...

 

[godrulz]

Except for the verses that support it in Psalms, Jeremiah, Matthew, and Ephesians at
minimum...

They are qualifying or limiting omnipresence, but still hold to some concept of it.

 

[Ecumenicist]

Lets turn it around on Knight, PK, and Mystery:

Is it possible to hide from God? I'm not as thoroughly vested in Omipresence as
I am in Omni-awareness...

 

[Mystery]

Lets turn it around on Knight, PK, and Mystery:

Is it possible to hide from God?

Absolutely not. God knows everything He chooses to know.

 

[Ecumenicist]

Absolutely not. God knows everything He chooses to know.

So if God chose not to know where you are, he wouldn't know?