On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews were quickened by the Holy Spirit because they heard and believed the Gospel.
"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17. Which is the Gospel.
Who Are The Elect?
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On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews were quickened by the Holy Spirit because they heard and believed the Gospel.
"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17. Which is the Gospel.
Nanja
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Wrong order. They weren't quickened because they heard and believed the Gospel,
but they heard and believed the Gospel because they were quickened!
A person who is spiritually dead cannot hear /perceive the Gospel which is Spiritual.
Hearing comes by having Life!
So before an Elect Child of God can Hear the Gospel which is God's Word,
he/she shall be quickened, be Born of God John 3:7, resulting in their hearing the Gospel of their Salvation Eph. 1:13 .
But the rest, the non-elect, will never hear / perceive the Gospel in a savingly way,
because their father is not God, but is the devil.
John 8:43-47
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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Your doctrine that you are quickened before you can hear is not according to the Bible. They hear and then they believe and are born again.
It is the preaching of the Gospel that brings people to Christ.
Paul said, "The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation" Romans 1:16.
Repent and teach the truth or you are doomed.
Nanja
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You preach a distortion of the Truth, a false gospel of works;
things a person does to get himself saved Eph. 2:8-9; Is. 64:6!
Accursed you are Gal.1:8!
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beloved57
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Since when did you believe the Gospel ?
You teach that salvation depends on man's work, his will.
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Nowhere in the Bible does it say that people are first quickened before they believe.
The order of salvation is that they hear first and then they believe and then they receive the Holy Spirit.
"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17.
No one is quickened first.
The order of salvation is that they hear first and then they believe and then they receive the Holy Spirit.
"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17.
No one is quickened first.
Nanja
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You lie against, and distort the Truths of scripture all the time just like your father John 8:44.
Quickened means to be made Spiritually Alive, Born of God.
Believing or Faith in Christ is a gift and fruit of the Holy Spirit given in New Birth / when one is Quickened.
No one has the ability to do anything that pleases God while carnal / in the flesh.
Rom. 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
A person cannot even call upon the name of the Lord Rom. 10:13 in a way that pleases God unless they are quickened.
Ps. 80:17-18
17 Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.
18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.
So those Christ died for shall call upon Him as a result of their being made Spiritually Alive.
Rom 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
But unless one is quickened / Born of God, Faith will not come because they are spiritually dead, so they can't hear God's Word which is Spiritual.
John 8:43, 47
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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beloved57
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B57, you are on the fringe of Calvinism. The "sane Calvinists" keep their distance from you and those who are not of the Calvinist persuasion think you're some kind of a crazy Loon. Such is your religious life. You don't fit in anywhere.
You're just like B57. Just another crazy Loon.
Double predestination is not that big of a deal, it is simply a minor deviating from orthodox Calvinism. You seem to be laboring under the delusion that we teach two polar things and that simply isn't true- B57 just goes a different way with Original sin.
Your 'divide and conquer' thing fails with the Reformed, hombre. The doctrines are too rigid for your little mallet
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The predestination and election of Calvinism i is plain as day in the scriptures. We have been over this again and again- it is incontrovertible.
No proper theologian would say otherwise either. You all are against Calvinism for incorrect reasons.
Double predestination is not that big of a deal, it is simply a minor deviating from orthodox Calvinism. You seem to be laboring under the delusion that we teach two polar things and that simply isn't true- B57 just goes a different way with Original sin.
Your 'divide and conquer' thing fails with the Reformed, hombre. The doctrines are too rigid for your little mallet
Also
The predestination and election of Calvinism i is plain as day in the scriptures. We have been over this again and again- it is incontrovertible.
No proper theologian would say otherwise either. You all are against Calvinism for incorrect reasons.
If God predestinated anyone to salvation or to hell that would make him unjust.
To believe that God predestinates people to hell for no reason other than they were born after Adam is not teachable or believable. it is NOT possible to have saving faith in the unjust God of Calvinism.
As opposed to merely 'foreknowing', and yet of His own volition creating anyway.
You never really thought so far as to take into consideration your split hair.
you have to think this through
-would God knowingly create a free will that would reject Him?
-would it then be a free will?
-would there be any need for what we are experiencing now?
-try to make sense of the world we live in
-try to make sense
Ben Masada
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Nowhere in the Bible! According to Prophet Isaiah, first, we must repent and then return to the obedience of God's Law. (Isa. 1:18,19) This is in the Tanach. In the NT, we have Jesus warning us to listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31)Regardless of how much Christians prefer the opinion of Paul as the Law
is concerned.
KingdomRose
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The Holy Spirit works in different ways. Did you ever hear of it "moving over the surface of the waters" when God and His Son were getting ready to create life on this planet? (Genesis 1:2) So obviously it is used by God to do a variety of things. Therefore, how it acts with the chosen ones is different than how it acts with those who will live on Earth forever. Perhaps you should do a bit more studying. Just a suggestion!:e4e: