Which ushered in the new deal of simply calling on the Lord, Paul was the first and the pattern.
Who Are The Elect?
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KingdomRose
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You are misleading people when you teach that individuals were deemed righteous or damned before they were even born. That is sacriledge of the highest and most depraved order. Mr. Schwertley should be ashamed of himself.
To be correct, that view would have to harmonize with all of God's qualities, standards and purposes, as well as his righteous ways in dealing with his creation. It doesn't harmonize with his qualities of justice, honesty, impartiality, love, mercy, or kindness. Does it? The Apostle Peter writes: "The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some count slowness, but is PATIENT toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9, NASB)If God already knew and foreordained thousands of years in advance precisely which individuals would receive eternal salvation and which would receive eternal destruction, how meaningful would his "patience" be, and how genuine would his desire be that all attain to repentance? He would be playing games with his creations, and I don't think he is such a charlatan.
Ephesians 1:3-5, viewed in the proper light, means that God foreknew and foreordained that such a CLASS (but not the specific individuals forming it) would be produced. He prescribed the "pattern" to which all those in due time called to be members thereof would have to conform, all according to his plans and purposes.
A certain class....NOT individuals, have been foreordained.
The Lord says to Jeremiah, ""Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." God has determined beforehand to affectionately set apart certain people, but not as a result of their decisions (Amos 3:2; Mt. 7:23; John 10:14; Eph 1:4,5). In fact the Bible teaches that God's grace in choosing us is free, based on His gracious will alone and not influenced by the innate capacities, spiritual desire (ROM 9:16, John 1:13), religious merit, or the foreseen faith of the people He sets apart as His own (Eph 1:5, 2:5,8). Rather, God acts in accordance with his highest purpose, which is His own glory. -John Hendryx
Everyone who is called by My name,
And whom I have created for My glory,
Whom I have formed, even whom I have made..." Isaiah 43:7
There is no predestination without a purpose.
God chose Israel, Kings, prophets, apostles, for the sole purpose of making known to the world the Gospel of his Son Jesus Christ.
We now enter God's Kingdom through faith in God's Son Jesus Christ.
No one is predestinated. Salvation is by grace through faith.
God still has a purpose. Why you lie on purpose beats us. Oh well, good day
All who come to Christ as repentant sinners to be saved by him receive the Holy Spirit. It is the Spirit working in the life of the believer that produces the Christian life, Ephesians 2:10. It is all of God.
God's will for your life is that you believe upon his Son Jesus Christ.
You bet I believe jesus but you don't want me too.
You believe in John Calvin and Jesus. I don't think that Jesus is going to share his Kingdom with John Calvin.
And you want me to believe you?
Exhibit A:
The entire basis of this thread is on a notion that everybody is the elect.
Exhibit B:
So RP basically just affirmed the Reformed tradition.
:mock: Anti-Calvinists
The entire basis of this thread is on a notion that everybody is the elect.
Exhibit B:
So RP basically just affirmed the Reformed tradition.
:mock: Anti-Calvinists
dodge
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Why not just believe scripture ?
Rom 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
10:14
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How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
God has elected to provide salvation for the whole world by his Son Jesus Christ, 1 John 4:14,
So that, "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
Nanja
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The World that Salvation was provided for, according to the scriptures, is The World that God Loved John 3:16, His Elect 1 Pet. 1:2; or The Church Eph. 5:25; or The Sheep John 10:11,15; or Israel Is. 45:17.
But God has NOT elected these to salvation, but has according to His Purpose, created them specifically to be destroyed Rom. 9:22; 2 Pet. 2:12; to be condemned Jude 1:4; Mat. 25:41; reserved to the Day of Judgment Job 21:30!
Whatever God desires, that he does:
Job 23:13-14
13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.
How can the created thing have the audacity to question God about what He does with His Creation?
Rom. 9:20
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
God's Will is Sovereign over all His Creation, and He does with it as He Pleases:
Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
You have been shown many times how to interpret that scripture comparing it to other scriptures 1 Cor. 2:13, but because your mind is darkened Eph. 4:18 you're prevented from understanding it.
Before a person can call upon the Lord in a way that pleases God, they must first be made Spiritually Alive / Born Again / Quickened by the Holy Spirit, because those who are carnal / in the flesh cannot please God by anything they do Rom. 8:8!
Ps. 80:18b
quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.
So those Christ died for shall call upon Him after being Quickened by the Power of the Holy Spirit given them in New Birth!
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Scripture?
Don't deny them but pate lies so it would look like we deny them. It's called scam
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Nanja
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It's there Ps. 80:18.
You see, (?) it's all God's Work which results in our becoming Saved,
not by our own work of calling on Him.
When God gives His Elect Sons New Birth they shall call on Him!
Praise the Lord!
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And where does it say that these are the elect of God and who that elect is? I think this passage is talking about Israel.
Nanja
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All the Elect of God consist of the Israel of God which were Promised Salvation:
Is. 45:17
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Titus 1:1-2
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began (2 Tim. 1:9).
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Indeed it is. Most references in the OT to GOD's elect are either to Israel or to Israel's Messiah.
Deu 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
chosen- bachar, LXX-eklektos
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.