Where will the Tribulation Temple be built?

[Gurucam]

What temple?

Hebrews: 9 7King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Judgment will be as follows:

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

There are just two promised lands which are the destinations:

Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The final separation will occur as follows:

Matthews: 24 KJV N.T.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

There are two covenants aligned to two Jerusalem and also aligned to the two destinations:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; 1. the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. (this is the law of sin and deaths which delivers one into hell, within the depths of earth, with Satan)
26 2. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (This is heaven above in the spirit realm)

 

[Interplanner]

What temple?

Hebrews: 9 7King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Judgment will be as follows:

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

There are just two promised lands which are the destinations:

Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The final separation will occur as follows:

Matthews: 24 KJV N.T.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

There are two covenants aligned to two Jerusalem and also aligned to the two destinations:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; 1. the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. (this is the law of sin and deaths which delivers one into hell, within the depths of earth, with Satan)
26 2. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (This is heaven above in the spirit realm)

Pretty good, but Mt24B is not about that. as you can see it was best to be left.

The idea of the Jerusalem above is not to find a location, because it matters very intimately to him; it is close. But it just not on earth; it cannot be.

 

[KingdomRose]

there will not be a third temple
-the abomination of desolation is already standing in the holy place
-this is bible interpretation run amok

Wow Chrysostom.....you are right on the money!

 

[KingdomRose]

Standard YHWH-Witness drivel. Been there, done that.... when you were still using the King James Bible (which you had to "correct" with your NWT in order to promote your "Jesus is Michael the Archangel" nonsense-babble :rotfl:
Better just stick to the Old Testament, like the Jews.




Armageddon dates predicted by Watchtower Society:
1829
1840
1844
1846
1872
1874
1878
1880
1881
1891
1906
1910
1914 - Jesus came "secretly"
1917
1918
1920
1921
1925
1926
1928
1932
1935
1940s
1951
1975
finally gave up... http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

Typical don't-have-an-answer drivel. Instead of explaining how certain Scriptures do NOT support the submissive position of Jesus, you resort to going completely off the topic and attacking someone's religious institution. This is to be expected from someone who doesn't have a clue as to how to respond to someone else's post.

Here are some scriptures that show that Jesus is subordinate in relation to his Father. Here's also another chance for you to explain why they do NOT show that Jesus is subordinate.

John 5:19 & 30

John 6:38

John 8:28,29

John 12:49,50

John 14:24 & 28

John 17:3

John 20:17

 

[KingdomRose]

Where is heaven? Do you know?

Well, it's not considered to be on this earth. As I recall, Jesus spoke of ASCENDING to his Father. So heaven must be somewhere else in the universe.

:wave2:

 

[KingdomRose]

Should anyone other than God be worshiped?

That's all you've got to say after that excellent post by marhig? You just dimiss what he said out of hand? Your tangent, seeking to avert attention away from his points, is silly. "Worship" has been previously discussed ad nauseum. The point was made that there are two different levels of worship. There is the worship that is merely respect for a high official, and then there is worship that is offered to God as the One deserving of ALL appreciation and honor because He created everything and has the right to rule His universe. Jesus falls under the former idea of "worship," though he is more than an ordinary high official. Whatever respect and honor he deserves, it doesn't come close to the worship we must give to the Father, YHWH.

 

[KingdomRose]

ok.

LA

Intended for beameup:

I guess you missed the explanations already given.

 

[KingdomRose]

You said Jesus isn't God, now you say he is God. I guess that covers all the options.

Way to go.

:think:

Hey....are you listening to ANYthing? "Mighty god" is not the same as "ALL-MIGHTY God." "Mighty god" can be the title of any powerful being. In Hebrew it's El Gibbohr. "Almighty God" is El Shaddai.

No one in the Bible is called "El Shaddai" but YHWH, the God of humans and the God of Jesus.

 

[KingdomRose]

That's true regarding the abomination of desolation, but the third temple is already built too!

True...in heaven.

I was thinking about on the earth...that's why I agreed with chrysostom when he said there will be no third temple.

 

[KingdomRose]

The Revelation Temple will soon be built on its proper site in the City of David.
All preparations have been made by the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, including training the priests.
There must be a minimal Temple consisting of the Holy Place and Most Holy Place, in order for the False-Messiah to desecrate it by his presence in the Holy-of-Holies.

Training the priests?? According to the Law, the priests had to be from the tribe of Levi. Today no one knows who is of the tribe of Levi.

The "false Messiah" has been around for 2,000 years! The Apostle John wrote that the "antichrist" was in existence even then. (I John 2:18; 2 John 7)

So what does Paul mean in his letter to the Thessalonians? He is using flowery language to indicate that FALSE CHRISTIANITY has been sitting high and mighty for all this time, claiming to be God's own vicar on the earth.


:chuckle:linger:

 

[marhig]

That's all you've got to say after that excellent post by marhig? You just dimiss what he said out of hand? Your tangent, seeking to avert attention away from his points, is silly. "Worship" has been previously discussed ad nauseum. The point was made that there are two different levels of worship. There is the worship that is merely respect for a high official, and then there is worship that is offered to God as the One deserving of ALL appreciation and honor because He created everything and has the right to rule His universe. Jesus falls under the former idea of "worship," though he is more than an ordinary high official. Whatever respect and honor he deserves, it doesn't come close to the worship we must give to the Father, YHWH.

Yep there's only one God, only one God Almighty and he's the father. The Bible clearly shows this. and as I keep saying, Jesus calls God his God also. And Jesus also said that without the father he could do nothing. He prayed to God, did the will of God, he obeyed God completely because God is his God also.

BTW He's a she I've given myself a flowery photo to make me look more girly

 

[beameup]

Training the priests?? According to the Law, the priests had to be from the tribe of Levi. Today no one knows who is of the tribe of Levi.

You obviously "know nothing"... except what the Watchtower Society tells you to believe.

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Isa 45:22-23

for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Rom 14:10b-11

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Phil 2:10

Note the progression and "clarification" in these verses.
Every knee of every created being will bow in reverence to Yeshua (Jesus),
who overcame death and whose name is above every name.
Bow now, or bow later

 

[jamie]

Well, it's not considered to be on this earth. As I recall, Jesus spoke of ASCENDING to his Father. So heaven must be somewhere else in the universe.

Heaven is where the Father is and to where Jesus ascended. So where are they?

Paul said there is, "one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Ephesians 4:6)

The Father is in us, but we're not in heaven, we're on earth. And so is the Father since he is in us.

Heaven where the Father exists is a spiritual dimension surrounding the earth. Wherever we are, he is.

Spirit is a "higher" state of being than being physical, which is limited. It's higher in terms of being without limits.

 

[jamie]

"Worship" has been previously discussed ad nauseum. The point was made that there are two different levels of worship. There is the worship that is merely respect for a high official, and then there is worship that is offered to God as the One deserving of ALL appreciation and honor because He created everything and has the right to rule His universe. Jesus falls under the former idea of "worship," though he is more than an ordinary high official. Whatever respect and honor he deserves, it doesn't come close to the worship we must give to the Father, YHWH.

Rome and Parthia were enemies so when the Parthian Jews came to worship their King they had to go to Herod to inform him that they came in peace to worship their King.

Jesus was a toddler, he was not a high official, but according to scripture he was worshiped by Jews as their King. A "star" (angel) led the men to where Jesus was at the time.

 

[Gurucam]

Where is heaven? Do you know?

Currently God's kingdom of heaven is in the spirit realm (above). However the promise is that, in the fullness of time, God's kingdom of heaven will also eventually be physically established on the surface of earth.

Currently the surface of earth is simply a place where one can have a life on one's own terms, so as to exemplify/demonstrate to God, the life that one wants, in his or her (eternal) life after death and judgment.

Hebrews: 9 KJV N.T.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

Also, currently on the surface of earth (in many pockets), God's kingdom of heaven exists on earth among those who transgress the ten commandments so as to serve spirit/love. These include authentic Christians (the chosen few). This is not a fixed place. This is simply a reality existing among chosen people who are scattered all over the surface of earth. God's kingdom of heaven simply follow them wherever they go.

There is hell inside the earth, with Satan.

 

[beameup]

Typical don't-have-an-answer drivel. Instead of explaining how certain Scriptures do NOT support the submissive position of Jesus, you resort to going completely off the topic and attacking someone's religious institution. This is to be expected from someone who doesn't have a clue as to how to respond to someone else's post.

More Yehoba-Witnesss psycho-babble, plucking verses out-of-context and other such subterfuge, chicanery, trickery and disingenuousness.
Your "Watchtower Society" has prophesized 25 different Armageddon's. False Prophets were stoned to death in the Old Testament.
Why should anyone believe anything coming out of the "Watchtower Society"?

PS: And Archangel Michael is Jesus :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels;
but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP him. Hebrews 1:6
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8

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For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour... thou hast put all things under his feet: [that includes YOU] Psa 85:5,6b

Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet [that includes YOU]. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him [YET].
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Hebrews 2:7-9

Worship now, or worship later (when it will be annihilation time)

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Heaven is where the Father is and to where Jesus ascended. So where are they?

Paul said there is, "one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Ephesians 4:6)

The Father is in us, but we're not in heaven, we're on earth. And so is the Father since he is in us.

Heaven where the Father exists is a spiritual dimension surrounding the earth. Wherever we are, he is.

Spirit is a "higher" state of being than being physical, which is limited. It's higher in terms of being without limits.

Bogus.

When God called Noah into the Ark, where was He?

When Satan was among the sons of God when they presented themselves before Him, what did satan say?

God is not everywhere, He sees everywhere.

The Father is not in you, His Spirit is.

Jesus is in Heaven, which is far from earth, probably further than you or I can ever think or imagine.

Your views are sorta spiritualist.

LA

 

[Lazy afternoon]

More Yehoba-Witnesss psycho-babble, plucking verses out-of-context and other such subterfuge, chicanery, trickery and disingenuousness.
Your "Watchtower Society" has prophesized 25 different Armageddon's. False Prophets were stoned to death in the Old Testament.
Why should anyone believe anything coming out of the "Watchtower Society"?

PS: And Archangel Michael is Jesus :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Worship now, or worship later (when it will be annihilation time)

You speak like a Roman Catholic of the middle ages.

If you truly worshipped at the feet of Jesus then you would know who He is and who others are.

Your trying to pin something bad on another, just to satisfy your religious bent is damnable.

So many are like you.

LA

 

[beameup]

Only God is to be worshipped. It's an abomination to "rationalize" and do otherwise.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:1-3 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before YHWH our creator - Psalm 95:6.

The following is apostasy

That's all you've got to say after that excellent post by marhig? You just dimiss what he said out of hand? Your tangent, seeking to avert attention away from his points, is silly. "Worship" has been previously discussed ad nauseum. The point was made that there are two different levels of worship. There is the worship that is merely respect for a high official, and then there is worship that is offered to God as the One deserving of ALL appreciation and honor because He created everything and has the right to rule His universe. Jesus falls under the former idea of "worship," though he is more than an ordinary high official. Whatever respect and honor he deserves, it doesn't come close to the worship we must give to the Father, YHWH.

 

[beameup]

You speak like a Roman Catholic of the middle ages.
If you truly worshipped at the feet of Jesus then you would know who He is and who others are.
Your trying to pin something bad on another, just to satisfy your religious bent is damnable.
So many are like you.

LA

You purposely left this out (perhaps it was getting a bit too HOT for you?) :burnlib:

Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet [that includes YOU]. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 2:7-9
The Devil hates the Word of God and is repulsed by it.