glorydaz
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Yet becomes confusing when one considers AD70.
Ah ha.... Who were you before you were Sonnet?
Why ask questions when you already think you know the answers?
Is this a test?
Yet becomes confusing when one considers AD70.
What's a pretorist?No reason to call me a pretorist.
Exactly so. :thumb:
What's a pretorist?
It is locked into that generation by Lk 23's babes-who-become-adults.
The kingdom will be preached to all...
You are confusing the gospels.No sir.
The kingdom will be preached to all for a witness unto all nations.
Matt 24:14KJV
This happened in Acts 2
Confirming verses:
Col 1:23KJV
Also Col 1:5-6KJV
The whole Jacob and Esau rabbit trail is not a gospel preached unto you for salvation. And even if it was preached unto you as a gospel, the person preaching it would be accursed, not you. Get on with the gospel that is the power of God to save you and any and all men because of the faith of Jesus Christ and His cross work in the world's place when you and they trust the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV took place in your stead (Romans 4:25 KJV)!I'm not completely clear as to your argument. Paul's statement:
is clear though and would include any message that did not fit with the truth about Christ preached by any preacher to any audience.
The requirements for eternal life in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is different (Mark 10:17-21 KJV) than what it is for you and me (Romans 6:23 KJV, Titus 3:5-7 KJV)!I'm not sure your assertion trumps Jesus's does it? The Kingdom equates to eternal life doesn't it? Jesus came that His chosen (Israel) would accept Him - but they didn't take it.
Don't be ignorant. There is more than one "gospel" in the Bible.I am no expert on this but it just seems straight forward. I don't understand the reason for the complication. The first four books of the NT are called the Gospel. That makes all that is written there the Gospel.
Paul declares the gospel by which we are saved in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV. It was a mystery (Romans 16:25-26 KJV)to those of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and Paul tells us why (1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV). The gospel Paul received is not after man, neither was he taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV). It is the gospel that is the power of God to save you and anyone else who will trust the Lord believing it (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) in this due time (1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV). Trust the Lord now believing it and be assured eternity with God (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV).Sure, 1 Cor. 15:3-8 represents the essence of the Gospel without having to run through the entire Jesus story.
I have since reread your post and realize I misunderstood the tone of it. Sorry about that.What am I lacking? I answered the question.
I understand what you're saying and have studied the subject somewhat in the past. If the Gentiles are grafted in as per Romans 11, then the Kingdom applies to them too and would form part of the Gospel as far as I can see.
Where in scripture is there an explicit verse that limits the universality of Jesus's Mat. 24:14 statement?
Another sock puppet diverting their own thread?
Did you want to have honest discussion about the topic or not?
I'm guessing; not.
Ah ha.... Who were you before you were Sonnet?
Why ask questions when you already think you know the answers?
Is this a test?
Someone has. You've been given the answer. The Lord Jesus Christ is risen, that's the Good News. Every Christian agrees with that, and nobody believes it who isn't a Christian.I have no idea at all why you are writing this GD. That there is confusion amongst Christians regarding this issue is incontrovertible and hardly engenders faith.
I don't have any answers GD. I'm just asking questions in the hope that someone might clear things up.
The requirements for eternal life in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is different (Mark 10:17-21 KJV) than what it is for you and me (Romans 6:23 KJV, Titus 3:5-7 KJV)!
Don't be ignorant. There is more than one "gospel" in the Bible. Paul declares the gospel by which we are saved in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV. It was a mystery (Romans 16:25-26 KJV)to those of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and Paul tells us why (1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV). The gospel Paul received is not after man, neither was he taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV). It is the gospel that is the power of God to save you and anyone else who will trust the Lord believing it (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) in this due time (1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV). Trust the Lord now believing it and be assured eternity with God (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV).
Someone has. You've been given the answer. The Lord Jesus Christ is risen, that's the Good News. Every Christian agrees with that, and nobody believes it who isn't a Christian.
I don't have any answers GD. I'm just asking questions in the hope that someone might clear things up.
No matter what you will cling to as not repugnant, the same command from God remains. Do you duty. Call upon the name of the Lord and be saved.
What's stopping you from doing so right now?
AMR
You're right, but none of those have any bearing at all on whether or not you will choose to take the leap of faith and believe with 100% certainty that the Lord Jesus Christ is risen. You can't establish it as a fact or as a lie or as an error, you have to choose one of them. Choosing to believe He is risen is the exact Christian faith, and always has been, it just so happens.It's natural to have doubts about anything that isn't clearly proven - especially anything historical. The issues I and others have raised (here and elsewhere), the confusion that exists even amongst professed believers, and also the existence of a competing alternative explanation to our existence (Neo-Darwinism) all have an impact.
Someone has. You've been given the answer. The Lord Jesus Christ is risen, that's the Good News. Every Christian agrees with that, and nobody believes it who isn't a Christian.
You're right, but none of those have any bearing at all on whether or not you will choose to take the leap of faith and believe with 100% certainty that the Lord Jesus Christ is risen. You can't establish it as a fact or as a lie or as an error, you have to choose one of them. Choosing to believe He is risen is the exact Christian faith, and always has been, it just so happens.
It's been asked - risen for whom? Some Christians who deny He died for all will, to be consistent, have to say He did not rise for all.
I'm not being snarky, it's just the same answer.You're right, but none of those have any bearing at all on whether or not you will choose to take the leap of faith and believe with 100% certainty that the Lord Jesus Christ is risen. You can't establish it as a fact or as a lie or as an error, you have to choose one of them. Choosing to believe He is risen is the exact Christian faith, and always has been, it just so happens.