I know there were many things that you did not say. Would you like to say something about the appropriate level of giving for the couple in post 3?
It is fine if you have no opinion; I just can’t tell that this is the case.
What is the appropriate level of giving for retired people?
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I know there were many things that you did not say. Would you like to say something about the appropriate level of giving for the couple in post 3?
It is fine if you have no opinion; I just can’t tell that this is the case.
Yeah, I did not mean what I said to derail, but wanted to state it as the simple fact that it is, pertaining to what Oatmeal had said, because it concerns circumcision, (which was already brought up earlier up by someone else, and shot down as off-topic by you, and rightly so, (but now it is there for future reference if that topic comes up again and you allow it)).
But as for mammon will you give some of your mammon to Elohim? Where in the Tanach or Old Testament does it say to give some of your mammon to a church or congregation? So I suppose it depends who you plan to give your mammon to, for there are good things you could do with your mammon, and bad things you could do with your mammon: but what about, "Sell all that you have and follow Messiah", do you suppose that statement only pertains to mammon? I suggest to you that it does not necessarily mean that but because the rich young man was only able to see it in that manner he was dejected and went away. In those times buying and selling was more like "going to market" and bartering: the fisherman would trade some fish for some wheat, flour, or maybe bread from the farmer, because each one had his own occupation. The fisherman did not have a farm and the farmer did not have a sea galley or fishing boat operation.
The Master says to us all, (not just Laodicea), "I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, so that you may be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your nakedness not appear; and anoint your eyes with eye-salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."
How are you going to purchase gold tried in the fire from the Master? What do you really have that is critical and meaningful in the kingdom of Elohim? Will he accept your mammon? or the persons of men? You have some doctrines that are dear to you; but if they do not agree with the Word, and yet you do not trade them in for the true pure gold, then even what you think to have will be taken from you in the long run, (it is surely the same for us all). Therefore I say, trade off all that you have and take up your stake and follow the Word.
Daqq, does this mean that you don’t believe in giving to a local church? Or to the poor?
I can’t see any comments in your post as to what you think might be an appropriate giving range for the hypothetical couple that I described in post 3.
Do you have an opinion on the appropriate level of giving for the hypothetical couple in post 3?
Livestock and agricultural products were tithed.
Jesus was a craftsman in the building trades.
Paul was a tentmaker.
Others were fishermen, none were farmers or ranchers.
I will give my opinion, and I am quick to note that it is not a teaching of scripture. It is just a personal opinion informed by various scriptures.
I think a good approach is to look at:
1) Income for the year,
2) Increase in net worth from year to year, and
3) Future expectations and projections of income and needs
to estimate what can be given while still caring for family.
If that estimate of what can be given comes out to something more than 10% of income or the increase in net worth, then it seems appropriate — and this should all be considered prayerfully and with a heart receptive to the leading of the Holy Spirit.
There is no scripture that says they tithed.
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Since you are not listening to what I said, I will not continue to waste my time.
Are you saying that you think only farmers and ranchers gave?
I have been listening.
Are you saying that you don’t believe in giving to a local church or to the poor?
No, what I said was that only food products were subject to tithing.
What did the Pharisees tithe?
To whom do tithes belong?
Do Jews currently tithe?
oatmeal
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Really?
Is there any scripture that says they didn't?
Did Jesus Christ teach the tithe?
Did Paul teach about giving and receiving?
Were they hypocrites?
Do you not know the law?
You might read Deuteronomy 16:16.
"Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord your God which He has given you." (Deuteronomy 16:17)
glorydaz
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There is no "appropriate level of giving" for your hypothetical couple.
What is appropriate is to meet whatever need the Lord puts on your heart...even if it takes your last dime. Tomorrow will take care of itself. Of course, I'm only talking about those who walk by faith....which isn't you, is it?
glorydaz
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Law is not faith. You can ask the same question until hell freezes over, and you'll still miss the mark.
All interesting questions. Perhaps someone knows the answer and can share.
It does sound like you don’t think craftsmen tithed. I would be surprised if that were the case.
You seem angry, while I am just seeking a thoughtful discussion.
glorydaz
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You always read anger into my posts. Proving, not "seeming to prove" that you are not as discerning as you think you are.
So you are saying the appropriate level is whatever God puts on their heart.
That is a reasonable answer, thanks.
There are people who do want some guidance, to help them be more certain about what they believe they hear in their hearts.
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Clearly you have NOT been listening.