What does John 14:21 mean?

dahelmang

New member
Can you explain what you are saying?
It is better to obey your parents out of love or respect than fear, right? A sign of spiritual maturity is that you obey God's commands because you love Him, instead of fear of the consequences.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
 

dahelmang

New member
It is necessary to love Jesus. If you don't love Him there is no salvation.

Jesus also says if you love Him, keep His commandments.

So keeping His commandments is necessary for salvation.

it is that simple, friend.
he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
Titus 3:5 NIV
You can't earn your salvation through works. The works come after salvation, in gratitude, as worship.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
 

Jacob

BANNED
Banned
It is better to obey your parents out of love or respect than fear, right? A sign of spiritual maturity is that you obey God's commands because you love Him, instead of fear of the consequences.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
I love God and Jesus. I want to obey God's Commandments and Jesus' Commandments. I obey God because I love Him. What do you mean by fear and fear of the consequences?
 

dahelmang

New member
I love God and Jesus. I want to obey God's Commandments and Jesus' Commandments. I obey God because I love Him. What do you mean by fear and fear of the consequences?
You are doing what the verse says! Young Christians might obey because they think bad things will happen if they aren't good, or because their communities pressure them into it. Sometimes we need that to get started, but in the long run it isn't healthy.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
 

Jacob

BANNED
Banned
You are doing what the verse says! Young Christians might obey because they think bad things will happen if they aren't good, or because their communities pressure them into it. Sometimes we need that to get started, but in the long run it isn't healthy.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
I am a proselyte and a convert to Israel and Judaism.
 

Ktoyou

Well-known member
Hall of Fame
I love God and Jesus. I want to obey God's Commandments and Jesus' Commandments. I obey God because I love Him. What do you mean by fear and fear of the consequences?

he means fear of going to hell
 

meshak

BANNED
Banned
he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
Titus 3:5 NIV
You can't earn your salvation through works. The works come after salvation, in gratitude, as worship.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
This is typical; most churches cliché.

It is talking about our former sins. You have to continually being faithful to Jesus until the end to be saved..

That is what Jesus says in the revelation.
 

dahelmang

New member
This is typical; most churches cliché.

It is talking about our former sins. You have to continually being faithful to Jesus until the end to be saved..

That is what Jesus says in the revelation.
There's no reason to be rude. I have had good fellowship with people who don't believe in eternal security, in spite of our disagreement.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
 

dahelmang

New member
Jesus instructed to keep and teach the Commandments and I saw no obstacle to doing so.
But He also said no one could come to God except through Him. I am glad that you like Jesus, don't get me wrong, but He fulfilled the Mosaic law, so why do you follow it?

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
 

Jacob

BANNED
Banned
But He also said no one could come to God except through Him. I am glad that you like Jesus, don't get me wrong, but He fulfilled the Mosaic law, so why do you follow it?

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
Jesus is the Messiah. He never said to stop observing the Commandments.
 

dahelmang

New member
Jesus is the Messiah. He never said to stop observing the Commandments.
Have you read Galatians? I'm assuming since you said you had converted to Judaism that you obey the Mosaic law, right? At least... As much as you are able without a temple of course.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
 

meshak

BANNED
Banned
There's no reason to be rude. I have had good fellowship with people who don't believe in eternal security, in spite of our disagreement.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk

Reporting without good explanation is not rude?
 

dahelmang

New member
Reporting without good explanation is not rude?
You're right. I should have provided more explanation. I thought you closed the thread for personal reasons, rather than a rules violation. I apologize for not saying that before.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
 

meshak

BANNED
Banned
You're right. I should have provided more explanation. I thought you closed the thread for personal reasons, rather than a rules violation. I apologize for not saying that before.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk

I closed because most of them were just trolling the thread.

You didn't notice?

Judging unfairly is very rude, friend.
 

dahelmang

New member
I closed because most of them were just trolling the thread.

You didn't notice?

Judging unfairly is very rude, friend.
I was reporting so someone else could judge. I am sorry to have offended you.

Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
 
Top