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Jesus' blood atones for the sins of the world and all must come to him and ask forgiveness for that atonement.
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Jesus' blood atones for the sins of the world and all must come to him and ask forgiveness for that atonement.
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If you do not obey Jesus then you are not eating his flesh.
If you are not eating his flesh you have no life.
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You must know how much that means to me to hear you say that.
I definitely will.
That is interesting. Could you start off my telling me whether or not you believe God commanded Abraham and those who lived among him to be circumcised in the flesh? Do you believe God told Moses to tell the people they had to be circumcised in the flesh?
How do you ever get that? That is disappointing for me to hear you say that.
Thank you, and I will too.
Peace friend, and thank you too.
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[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION]; I tried again to use the quote function, but failed miserably. Your questions are within quotations.
"Do you mean that you believe every single Israelite will be saved?"
Yes. I believe that literally, eventually all will be reconciled unto GOD. I do not mean that none will face punishment for a term.
"Do you mean every single person from Egypt will be saved?"
Same as above
"According to the scriptures there will people going into the lake of fire for eternal condemnation. Do you believe that?"
I believe those destined to destruction eternally are those few who blaspheme the Holy Spirit making GOD out to be evil though they have been shown the Way.
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"Do you mean that you believe every single Israelite will be saved?"
Yes. I believe that literally, eventually all will be reconciled unto GOD. I do not mean that none will face punishment for a term.
"Do you mean every single person from Egypt will be saved?"
Same as above
"According to the scriptures there will people going into the lake of fire for eternal condemnation. Do you believe that?"
I believe those destined to destruction eternally are those few who blaspheme the Holy Spirit making GOD out to be evil though they have been shown the Way.
peace
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Romans 4: 16. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17. (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18. Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: 20. He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21. And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24. But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25. Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Circumcision of the flesh was a sign, not for GOD, but man(self).
Can we not see from these verses that faith is effectual?
Romans 4: 16. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17. (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18. Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: 20. He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21. And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24. But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25. Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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Circumcision of the flesh was a sign, not for GOD, but man(self).
Can we not see from these verses that faith is effectual?
Romans 4: 16. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17. (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18. Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: 20. He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21. And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24. But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25. Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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Romans 2: 5. But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6. Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7. To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8. But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9. Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10. But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11. For there is no respect of persons with God. 12. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13. (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15. Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16. In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 17. Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 18. And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 19. And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 20. An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 21. Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? 22. Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 23. Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 24. For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 25. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27. And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28. For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(Yet some speak very cross about the law, and further say that St. Paul spoke against doing.)
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16. In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 17. Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 18. And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 19. And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 20. An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 21. Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? 22. Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 23. Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 24. For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 25. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27. And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28. For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Yet some speak very cross about the law, and further say that St. Paul spoke against doing.)
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Judaism REJECTED WHO Jesus is and WHAT Jesus did.
You cannot be in Judaism and be a Christian.
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You have REJECTED the Gospel of Salvation the RISEN Lord gave to Paul face-to-face, first hand account, to give to you by which EVERYBODY is NOW saved (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).
Even Peter without knowing used to go from the WHAT Jesus did (Gospel of Salvation that Paul preached and Peter and the pillars (leaders) in Jerusalem AGREED WITH) back to WHO Jesus is.
Peter preached DBR of Jesus (Acts 2:14, 21-25) then back to WHO Jesus is (Acts 2:36); Peter preaching similar to Paul the WHAT Jesus did (Acts 5:30), then back to the Jews to WHO Jesus is (Acts 5:42; Acts 7:52), etc., etc., etc.
You, gt, have no understanding of the transition from OT to NT, from Jews to Gentiles, from Peter to Paul, from Israel to the Church, from the Church back to Israel, and Israel's the tribulation, the great. You're still in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and have NOT graduated to the Gospel of Salvation, the Gospel of Grace. You, gt are still in the gospel of works which you also cannot keep up with for the Gospel of Works was given EXCLUSIVELY to the Jews and EXCLUSIVELY to the Jews.
2 Timothy 2:15(KJV) - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Really gt? Really?
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You're still following James the missionary to the house of Israel scattered abroad and going through tribulation.
You're sounding like the RCC.
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[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION], @pospthebuilder, [MENTION=5582]Jacob[/MENTION] you're still in the Gospel of Works given to the Jews and EXCLUSIVELY to the Jews.
Being that I am assuming that the three of you are NOT Jews by lineage, you need to hear the RISEN Lord's Gospel of Salvation given face-to-face first-hand account to Paul to give to you.
Rejecting the Gospel of Salvation and remitting yourselves to the Gospel of Works given to the Jews EXCLUSIVELY (that you believe it or not is irrelevant) you are REJECTING the RISEN Lord's salvation.
Israel is under condemnation as a whole, ONLY individual Jews can be SAVED by believing the RISEN Lord's Gospel of Salvation given to the Apostle Paul to give to EVERYBODY else from that revelation on of how an INDIVIDUAL can be saved.
The opportunity for ISRAEL AS A WHOLE to be saved was last rejected when Stephen was stoned to death and the Lord sat down again on His throne, even though He was standing expecting Israel as a WHOLE to accept Him and what they had SEEN FIRST HAND, had they accepted Stephen's Gospel, the Lord would have come to establish His Kingdom at that moment, being that they stoned Stephen, they REJECTED God's plea for them to accept WHO He is and WHAT He did, being that they REJECTED God's plea, then the Lord sat down again and REVEALED to Paul God's Gospel of Salvation to the whole world (Jews and Gentiles).
Now, you guys want to stay on the Gospel of Works given EXCLUSIVELY to the Jews and EXCLUSIVELY to the Jews and that are no longer in force, hey, go have at it.
Being that I am assuming that the three of you are NOT Jews by lineage, you need to hear the RISEN Lord's Gospel of Salvation given face-to-face first-hand account to Paul to give to you.
Rejecting the Gospel of Salvation and remitting yourselves to the Gospel of Works given to the Jews EXCLUSIVELY (that you believe it or not is irrelevant) you are REJECTING the RISEN Lord's salvation.
Israel is under condemnation as a whole, ONLY individual Jews can be SAVED by believing the RISEN Lord's Gospel of Salvation given to the Apostle Paul to give to EVERYBODY else from that revelation on of how an INDIVIDUAL can be saved.
The opportunity for ISRAEL AS A WHOLE to be saved was last rejected when Stephen was stoned to death and the Lord sat down again on His throne, even though He was standing expecting Israel as a WHOLE to accept Him and what they had SEEN FIRST HAND, had they accepted Stephen's Gospel, the Lord would have come to establish His Kingdom at that moment, being that they stoned Stephen, they REJECTED God's plea for them to accept WHO He is and WHAT He did, being that they REJECTED God's plea, then the Lord sat down again and REVEALED to Paul God's Gospel of Salvation to the whole world (Jews and Gentiles).
Now, you guys want to stay on the Gospel of Works given EXCLUSIVELY to the Jews and EXCLUSIVELY to the Jews and that are no longer in force, hey, go have at it.
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Romans 2: 5. But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6. Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7. To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8. But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9. Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10. But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11. For there is no respect of persons with God. 12. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13. (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15. Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
(Yet some speak very cross about the law, and further say that St. Paul spoke against doing.)
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If you only took a deep breath and read for understanding/comprehension you would not make such out of cuff comments.
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I think I know why you believe what you do, but could you give the scriptures and tell me why yourself?
I don't know why you say only a few will be condemned when the Bible actually says only a few will be saved.
As for people who blaspheme the Holy Spirit, these scripture show that it won't only be those people going to the lake of fire. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin, AND so are sins that one does not come to Jesus and repent of. People must repent of their sins; unlike what the faith alone crowd say, as shown to us here where wrath is on the world and not just to the Jews, as faith alone people repeatedly say Jesus' words are only for.
Revelation 2:21
Even though I have given her time to repent of her immorality, she is unwilling.
Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Furthermore, they did not repent of their murder, sorcery, sexual immorality, and theft.
Revelation 11:13
And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 16:2
So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth, and loathsome, malignant sores broke out on those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.
Revelation 16:8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire.
Revelation 16:9
And the people were scorched by intense heat, and they cursed the name of God, who had authority over these plagues; yet they did not repent and give Him glory.
Revelation 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness, and men began to gnaw their tongues in anguish
11and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.
Revelation 16:21
And huge hailstones, about a hundred pounds each, rained down on them from above. And men cursed God for the plague of hail, because it was so horrendous.
lifeisgood
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The fact that you do not know that Judaism crucified their Messiah, tells me everything I need to know about your doctrine.
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Abraham had to obey God and get circumcised in the flesh and have everyone who lived among him circumcised.
Circumcision in the flesh brought one into the covenant of the PROMISE for another covenant one day WHEN faith and not circumcision would be required.
The Bible says plainly that ABRAHAM had not in his life time seen that covenant, but saw it happening in his spirit when Jesus came to earth and began the laying of the foundation of the new covenant.
1 Peter 1:12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
Circumcision was a sign that God commanded or you would be cut off.
Abraham only received the PROMISE BECAUSE HE OBEYED EVERYTHING THAT GOD SAID TO DO.
Genesis 26:4-5 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."
You give scripture where it is not commanded anymore and only circumcision of the heart is; you miss the part about the faith Abraham had was not the bases for that first covenant, but only for the covenant to come in the further.
God made the plan for salvation to be through Jesus before He created anything.
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You're a mess. IMHO.
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Abraham was declared righteous by God BEFORE he got circumcised. Why do you keep lying about this?
Gen 15:6 (AKJV/PCE)
(15:6) And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Circumcision was a SIGN and a SEAL of the RIGHTEOUSNESS that Abraham HAD by FAITH!
Rom 4:11 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:11) And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
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God contradicts your false doctrine, gt.
"Abram believed the LORD, and he [the LORD] credited it [ABRAHAM's BELIEF] to him [Abraham] as righteousness" (Genesis 15:6).
Did you read that, gt?
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You have no idea about God's Truth.
If you do not eat of Jesus you have no life.
That is what God says, and His words do not change.