The Trinity

[popsthebuilder]

Deleted due to the fact that it was a duplicate.

 

[God's Truth]

• YOU were NEVER under those "laws that you don't need to do anymore".

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  ARE YOU KIDDING? The Gentiles were dead in their sins because they did not do the ceremonial/purification works of the old law! They did not deal with their sin nature by obeying God and cleaning themselves. They did not justify themselves and atone for their souls and were the UNCLEAN people, the UNCLEAN GENTILES were SEPARATED from God, they were without Christ and without hope because they did not get circumcised and do all the ceremonial/purification works and thus come into the covenant with God.
  
  How many times do I have to explain that to you?
  
  All had to do those ceremonial works, if one did not then they were CUT OFF FROM GOD.
  
  Ephesians 2:11 Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)—
  
  12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.
  
  Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
  
  Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.
  
  Hebrews 9:22 According to the Law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

 

[lifeisgood]

All the same Spirit you silly silly person.

Did not say otherwise, probably did not express myself perfectly to your liking.

There is ONE Spirit, however, God is NOT ONE Spirit.

Show the segregation/division, separation in Spirit; don't just say father son Holy Spirit; no one is refuting that. I am denying that GOD is three separate spirits.

I have never said that God is three separate spirits.
Don't recall where or who started this particular 'three separate spirits'.

You, on the other hand, just denied that GOD is Spirit whatsoever....unwittingly I really hope.

I have done no such thing. It is your understanding of my scribbles.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Like I said, you are not interested. Neither is gt. Keypurr neither. One more for my list of UNinterested students of the Bible.

That isn't the Bible. I just stated that I did not want to resort to extrabiblical material. How is that being uninterested in the Bible?

Your twisting of simple truths is saddening and seems compulsive at this point.

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[God's Truth]

• I have NEVER said that we should not obey the LORD.

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  You go against me for saying we have to obey Jesus and that makes you as one who says we do not have to obey to get saved and stay saved.
  
  I have asked you many times to tell me what we have to obey from Jesus when he walked the earth. You said nothing because it is not to us.
  
  Now here is your chance to tell us all how we are to obey Jesus---tell us all right now what you say we have to obey.
  
  Now stop trying to cause confusion and say you never said that we should not obey the LORD!!!

 

[popsthebuilder]

Did not say otherwise, probably did not express myself perfectly to your liking.

There is ONE Spirit, however, God is NOT ONE Spirit.



I have never said that God is three separate spirits.
Don't recall where or who started this particular 'three separate spirits'.



I have done no such thing. It is your understanding of my scribbles.

"There is ONE Spirit, however, God is NOT ONE Spirit."

Explain that please.

Are you saying the One Spirit is not GOD?

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[lifeisgood]

(BR; sorry; I hope you understand. All praise and thanks and recognition and power are GOD'S alone. I am nothing but what GOD has given; not as a reward, but out of bounteous grace and mercy. An additional posting of my recounting of the time when I received faith in GOD when I was thirty and an atheist; in 2011.)

This is a copy that I wrote to someone who had inquiries about two (maybe three by now) years ago I guess.

Please ask anything and give honest opinion.

Okay. A little back ground is in order I suppose.

From early childhood up until what happened I was an atheist or agnostic. I remember thinking at a young age that there couldn't be a God because pain and suffering seemed to be observable everywhere. At some point I did consider the Sun to be a higher power of sorts as no life that I knew of could live without it. I remember asking my father once if he thought there was a God. After careful consideration he replied that he did not know. I lived with my mom. We didn't go to church much; maybe a handful of times in early childhood. She wasn't really spiritual or religious that I could tell. I do recall my grandmother being a believer because at family gatherings she would insist that someone said grace or have thanks to God. Anyway, I went through life in relative solitude, always being somewhat odd or different I guess. At an early age I recognized pain as an electronic signal of sorts. In doing so I was able to train myself to endure quite a bit of it. I turned myself off emotionally somehow, letting little really affect me. I began to realize that anger and pain could be channeled and used as strength and motivation. Not being spiritual in any way, I guess I didn't realize the ramifications this could have later.

Fast forward to mid twenties. All lessons I learned the hard way, taking no advice from any, finding out for myself. Personal failure and disappointment on a constant level made me self loathing. Severe drug addiction made it worse. Though I had strength I couldn't stop by my own will seemingly. I hated pretty much everything, but most of all, myself. I awoke angry and fell asleep angry for years, even before serious drug addiction. I fought myself for a couple of years trying to change the direction I was witnessing myself going. I used to park at graveyards and contemplate death. I fervently wished I had the strength to kill myself, and hated myself that much more for being too cowardly to go through with it. Throughout my life, but mostly throughout my addiction, I had a lot of time to contemplate things, and view my own actions or the lack there of retrospectively. Somewhere in the midst of all this I recall sincerely swallowing my misplaced pride which was all but gone already, and asking for help. I pleaded to GOD, Christ, Jesus, whatever. I did this once. I realized that regardless of what I thought and how strong I thought I was, I couldn't seem to be able to make the change for better happen. Down, at my lowest point, I recall seeing what most likely would have been explained away by anyone(including myself) as a smudge on a window. There was light coming through. Regardless, the smudge had the vague form of an Angel. I don't know exactly why, but seeing that gave me an inkling of hope. I was still severely addicted though I had lost almost everything I had ever cared about. A woman I had a child with had taken me in at this point and the three of us were struggling pretty bad. She told me she was moving back home and said I could come. I did. I vaguely recall seeing something again when we moved. I don't even remember what it was, but I do remember that it reminded me of what I had seen on the window, and again that misplaced hope surfaced. Months went by. Her, my son, and myself moved in together in her home town. I had not used since we moved. I made a trip back home and used for one night. I returned and went back to not using. Throughout this time I still had all the same hate and anger that I had before. Though I was doing better as far as my drug addiction was concerned, she wasn't really trying to change. Our son was in the middle. This and other things brought great tention on our relationship. I went to jail for a somewhat unrelated reason. I got out about a month later I guess. When I returned home with her and my son I realized she had been doing some really messed up things while I was gone. I was so worried for the upbringing of my son that I justified killing her and going to prison, because I thought my son would be better off. I chased her for about a half an hour, methodically. She couldn't leave because I had her car keys. For those minutes I did intent to take her life with my hands. Thankfully, I eventually have her her keys and she left.

Okay, so that was a lot of back story. Sorry if it bored you. I've never went into that much detail about it but it seemed necessary to convey the state of mind I was in.

I'm not sure if it was the next day or a couple of days later.

I'm driving home from work on a usual road. Listening to the radio as I drive. The radio fades out to silence. This never happened before. I adjust the station and volume to no avail whatsoever...silence. Suddenly and inexplicably I feel this great weight, this huge burden lifted from me. My anger, pain, and hatred are removed all at once. I am overwhelmed with joy as tears flow freely from my eyes( something that previously just didn't really happen). I am utterly and wholly grateful and thank GOD. Many things begin to come into my mind. Things I never even fathomed. I am shown, in my mind, how GOD was with me through all things I had endured. I was shown how every step in my life had been for a reason and that GOD had been ever present through it all regardless of my obliviousness to it. I was shown how GOD was there before my conception and through my troubled birth. I was shown that I was here for a reason and that all I had been through was too, for a reason. Many understandings and revelations took place. Then things stopped coming into my mind. An utter peace never thought possible was with me. A joyous expectation of life filled me. The radio fades back in to the same station and volume it had been at. I felt the strong edge to write down what had taken place. When I got home, I found the nearest utensils at hand and began writing. I had intended to describe the happenings that had taken place. What I wrote is more of some sort of moral code. This all happened when I was thirty in 2011. I never really looked at those writings again for about four years. At which time I started reading the bible. For some reason I don't recall I found this invoice book that I had written in years before. When I read it it was as if it had been taken out of the bible or something because of the nature of the written material.

I had never read the bible or really even heard it prior to writing what I wrote.


In the past couple of years other things have happened and changes have taken place. But that is a different story I suppose. Regardless of what happens to me for whatever reasons, I will never forget the miraculous event that took place in my life by the grace and mercy of GOD.
All praise and thanks is to GOD.

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I always enjoy hearing other's testimony. It fills me with great joy on how glorious the Lord is that He waited for you to be ready (also myself). All glory and power and honor to Him and what He has done in us.

 

[lifeisgood]

"There is ONE Spirit, however, God is NOT ONE Spirit."

Explain that please.

Are you saying the One Spirit is not GOD?

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No, I am not saying that the One Spirit is not God.

I am saying that God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

When I read some verses that in English the verse end up being translated in the singular but when I dig a little bit the verse is in the plural form in the original languages, e.g., Deut. 6:4.

 

[God's Truth]

• YOU are a LIAR when you claim that salvation is based on faith plus works.

The apostle to the Lamb says we have to believe AND OBEY!

You go against the apostle to the Lamb who says faith alone is dead and cannot do anything because it is DEAD.

You are calling James a liar when I preach what he says!

Do you really want to call James a liar for saying faith alone is dead like a dead body and it does not save?


Can a dead body do ANYTHING? James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Rom 6:23 (AKJV/PCE)​

(6:23) For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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God gives the GIFT of that inheritance TO HIS CHILDREN. You have to become a child of God's To get the gift.

You just will not accept the GIFT of God.... you want to "pitch in" for "partial payment" of what is a GIFT OF GOD.

Jesus saves us all on his own and he tells us who he saves and why.

Jesus' words are LIFE for everyone. He is Lord over all.

 

[lifeisgood]

That isn't the Bible. I just stated that I did not want to resort to extrabiblical material. How is that being uninterested in the Bible?

Your twisting of simple truths is saddening and seems compulsive at this point.

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The site is about answering the same type of questions you are asking about the Trinity/Triunity of God.

 

[God's Truth]

Indeed.

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...use-to-house&p=5109271&viewfull=1#post5109271

Q.E.D.

AMR

You know you can't defend yourself by any other way then to claim you did something that you didn't then taunt it.

You said God's essence is God.

That is not an answer.

 

[God's Truth]

You are fantastic at not answering God's Truth.



Let's see if you will answer this one: 'Show from the Bible in the conversation the thief had with Jesus where Jesus told the thief what kind of people He saves, and then He told the thief how to be that person, and how the thief did right for Jesus to save him.'



Yeah, I know, gt, you wouldn't dare answer the question when confronted with God's Truth.

There is all probability that the thief KNEW WHAT JESUS TAUGHT.

How did the thief KNOW to fear God?

How did the thief KNOW that Jesus did NOTHING WRONG?

How did the thief KNOW about Jesus' kingdom?!


“Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!” Luke 23:39. But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” Luke 23:40-43. Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”

 

[popsthebuilder]

No, I am not saying that the One Spirit is not God.

I am saying that God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

When I read some verses that in English the verse end up being translated in the singular but when I dig a little bit the verse is in the plural form in the original languages, e.g., Deut. 6:4.

And again; none are denying the three; Father; invisible Creator GOD almighty, son; the physical material temporal manifestation of GOD within creation(man), or the Holy Spirit which interacts, influences, guides, chastises, helps. (Not an exhaustive list of the attributes by any means whatsoever. What is being denied is that there are three separate spirits that together comprised the fullness of GOD.

We seem to agree that there is One Spirit and three expressions or perspectives or ideals that reflect or show that One Spirit. I'm sorry I cannot say that GOD is three persons, but other than that we are actually agreeing.

Can we keep that agreement in mind through conversation as opposed to focusing on seeming differences which are in actuality most likely not even differences?

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[popsthebuilder]

The site is about answering the same type of questions you are asking about the Trinity/Triunity of God.

I do not doubt that.

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[God's Truth]

I, lifeisgood, have never had any new revelation that came from no where like keypurr. You, gt, have made up your own doctrine, rejecting every single verse in the Bible that does not agree with your false doctrine. Where did you get your false doctrine that the Father came as a physical body?



Yeah, I know. You, gt, cannot make us bow down to your false doctrine.



If you really, honestly believe that you, gt, won the debate, you have no idea what debate is.

Here’s how you debate:
Q: Who is Jesus?
GT: He is the Father with a physical body
Q: Where have you seen that in the Bible, can you please give a verse. Give a little bit more information of how you arrived at this conclusion.
GT: Jesus is the Father with a physical body
Q: I need a verse or a book that says something like that. A little bit more information, please.
GT: Jesus is the Father with a physical body

GT: Hooray, I, gt, won the debate.



I did. AMR was quite articulate in his responses to you.



You couldn't convince him to bow down to your false doctrine; therefore, your conclusion of "Hooray, I, gt, won the debate."



You mean when you, gt, never debated?

Hooray, I, gt, won the debate we just had.

I preach that we are to bow down and obey Jesus.

I do not have new revelations; I am explaining what is already written.

 

[glorydaz]

You know you can't defend yourself by any other way then to claim you did something that you didn't then taunt it.

You said God's essence is God.

That is not an answer.

First link I followed, and here it is.

GT,

I am sorry, but you may not understand what essence means.

You claim God is a Spirit so God cannot have essence. You need to understand that the word essence is not restricted to physical properties.

The essence of God is the full nature of what God is. It is also proper to say that the being of God is His essence.

AMR

So, how much clearer could he possibly make it? :think:

 

[Right Divider]

And again; none are denying the three; Father; invisible Creator GOD almighty, son; the physical material temporal manifestation of GOD within creation(man), or the Holy Spirit which interacts, influences, guides, chastises, helps. (Not an exhaustive list of the attributes by any means whatsoever. What is being denied is that there are three separate spirits that together comprised the fullness of GOD.

The trinity doctrine does NOT say that there are "three separate spirits", so quit beating your poor strawman.

We seem to agree that there is One Spirit and three expressions or perspectives or ideals that reflect or show that One Spirit. I'm sorry I cannot say that GOD is three persons, but other than that we are actually agreeing.

A FATHER is not an "expression", it is a PERSON. So is a SON. God uses the Father/Son RELATIONSHIP to show things about God.

Can we keep that agreement in mind through conversation as opposed to focusing on seeming differences which are in actuality most likely not even differences?

Indeed... and you should quit misrepresenting what the trinity doctrines teaches.

 

[God's Truth]

No, God is NOT one Spirit.

God is one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

1 Corinthians 12:4
There are different gifts, but the same Spirit.

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

God is:

Father

The Son (now with a glorified body and not Spirit because people will be able to see, and have already seen, the marks of His crucifixion and His children will be able to TOUCH HIM and some ALREADY HAVE touched Him after the Resurrection)

ARE YOU DENYING people have their own spirit inside them and are not just

 

[God's Truth]

By not placing it here again, and again, and again, if necessary, you are already calling attention to yourself instead of giving glory to God. Can't you see that?

How do you EVER get that not obeying gives glory to God?

Answer that question.

You are a Calvinist.

Even faith alone people go against you.

 

[God's Truth]

How does NOT obeying Jesus give him glory?!!!

Jesus says he honors his Father.

That is Jesus saying he does what his Father says to do!