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lifeisgood

lifeisgood

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God's Truth said:
How many times do you have to be told?

The thief feared God, humbled himself, admitted his sins and confessed, and he acknowledged Jesus before others, and called on him to remember him.
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That was not the question and the answer stinks. Here is the question just in case you did not see it.

How much OBEYING / RIGHT did the thief on the cross presented to Jesus for Jesus to find him righteous and save him?
 
lifeisgood

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popsthebuilder said:
He wouldn't have needed to have been saved if he was. righteous.

Salvation is free, but that isn't the same as salvation being nothing. Faith is effectual and causal to good works pleasing to GOD. Not because man saves himself, but because man both hears and believes.

You preach hearing.

Believing is doing.

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The question was:
How much OBEYING did the thief on the Cross presented to Jesus for Jesus to find him righteous and save him?

Because you and gt preach approximately the same WORKS SALVATION.

Get it together popsthebuilder, I, lifeisgood, do not preach hearing, THE BIBLE DOES just in case you don't know your Bible.

Nonsense that believing is doing. I believe today is November 16, 2017, how much doing is that?
 
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Lon

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popsthebuilder said:
Who is going beyond scripture?
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Unitarians, Arians.


popsthebuilder said:
And why are you acting like I am denying the trinity doctrine
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Not sure why LifeisGood is arguing with you but I saw where it actually started to go South so thought I'd jump in for the meaningful part of the conversation as well as post some scriptures (we all need scriptures). :e4e:

popsthebuilder said:
that isn't even in scripture?
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I didn't just post a lot of scriptures??? :think:

popsthebuilder said:
So since you don't go beyond what scripture plainly states then perhaps you could show where it says GOD is three separate persons, or that GOD is three separate spirits.
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It 'shows' different individuals. The Son praying to the Father, for instance. Scripture 'plainly says' that the Word was 'with' God, and 'was God.'
How is that possible? :idunno: BUT I don't second-guess or go beyond it. Clearly, right there in John 1:1, 'with' (two or more?) and "was" (same). :think: It is as clear as that.

popsthebuilder said:
By the way; it isn't my logic; just logic in general.
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I disagree, even where my own logic is concerned. We all generally believe 'our' logic is logic. :nono: Why? Because we ALL are finite and limited. We only know what we can encapsulate in our finite minds and MUST trust God for a lot of truth. NO logic will settle John 1:1. It is very clear in conveyance but it is a 'logical' conundrum for you and I. It is well beyond your or my ability to quantify (logic). It is God's logic. He doesn't think like us. Numbers 23:19 We do the best we can and sometimes can grasp the scriptures well enough to explain them. John 4:22

popsthebuilder said:
It isn't my doctrine that can't be verified by scripture.
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This is your opportunity to discuss those scripture then. You realize, before even starting, that most of Christianity is Triune, though, I'm sure. We all have read and know the scriptures so it will need to be thorough and convincing and make 'logical' scriptural sense. John 1:1 is a real hurdle for Modalists One-ness Pentecostals and Arian/Unitarians. That one verse is God's revelation of Who He is.

The one in the mess would be the one claiming GOD is three anything all while claiming others heretical, and ignoring the vast majority of scripture in favor of the misinterpretation of a couple of verses they do not even grasp.
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:think: I wonder if you have read through the Triune thread or even all the verses in this thread for that matter.


I am VERY convinced by about half of what Modalists believe, and about half of what an Arian believes. Both believe scripture, but to me, seem not to be familiar enough each, with the rest of the Bible. -Lon
 
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lifeisgood said:
Which by your on confession you, gt, do not.

Have you sold all you have and given it all to the poor?
Have you started your ministry in Jerusalem and the surrounding villages/cities, etc.?
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If you don't obey Jesus then you don't know God and He don't know you.

Would you like the scripture?
 
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popsthebuilder

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lifeisgood said:
The question was:
How much OBEYING did the thief on the Cross presented to Jesus for Jesus to find him righteous and save him?

Because you and gt preach approximately the same WORKS SALVATION.

Get it together popsthebuilder, I, lifeisgood, do not preach hearing, THE BIBLE DOES just in case you don't know your Bible.

Nonsense that believing is doing.
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Nonsense, really?

You you equate believe in something to what exactly? Don't just say it is nonsense; show it.

Watch; I'll try to show how it is true and not nonsense.

People generally do according to what they believe.

If I believe I'm about to run into the back of a car then I would apply the brakes.

If I believed the principal when they told me my son can't ride the bus due to disciplinary action, then I wouldn't just assume he can still ride the bus. I would make arrangements to get him to and from school because I believed the principal.

Another example would be someone who believes they are in any sort of danger. Generally they will avoid said danger because they believe it will negatively affect them.
Similarly; if one believes that Christ came as a man and was the way and example then they would at least follow that way and example; not to be saved, but because they believe.

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popsthebuilder

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Lon said:
Unitarians, Arians.



Not sure why LifeisGood is arguing with you but I saw where it actually started to go South so thought I'd jump in for the meaningful part of the conversation as well as post some scriptures (we all need scriptures). :e4e:


I didn't just post a lot of scriptures??? :think:


It 'shows' different individuals. The Son praying to the Father, for instance. Scripture 'plainly says' that the Word was 'with' God, and 'was God.'
How is that possible? :idunno: BUT I don't second-guess or go beyond it. Clearly, right there in John 1:1, 'with' (two or more?) and "was" (same). :think: It is as clear as that.


I disagree, even where my own logic is concerned. We all generally believe 'our' logic is logic. :nono: Why? Because we ALL are finite and limited. We only know what we can encapsulate in our finite minds and MUST trust God for a lot of truth. NO logic will settle John 1:1. It is very clear in conveyance but it is a 'logical' conundrum for you and I. It is well beyond your or my ability to quantify (logic). It is God's logic. He doesn't think like us. Numbers 23:19 We do the best we can and sometimes can grasp the scriptures well enough to explain them. John 4:22


This is your opportunity to discuss those scripture then. You realize, before even starting, that most of Christianity is Triune, though, I'm sure. We all have read and know the scriptures so it will need to be thorough and convincing and make 'logical' scriptural sense. John 1:1 is a real hurdle for Modalists One-ness Pentecostals and Arian/Unitarians. That one verse is God's revelation of Who He is.


:think: I wonder if you have read through the Triune thread or even all the verses in this thread for that matter.


I am VERY convinced by about half of what Modalists believe, and about half of what an Arian believes. Both believe scripture, but to me, seem not to be familiar enough each, with the rest of the Bible. -Lon
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That single verse you say is descriptive of how GOD is specifically states that the Word was, not is.

Past that, of course the Word was God; it was wholly from GOD and is GOD as far as any man is concerned or ever has been.

I'm not looking to refute any scripture. I'm wanting scriptural verification that GOD is comprised of three separate persons/ personalities/ spirits, essences or any other plurality other than the One Spirit.

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Lon

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popsthebuilder said:
I'm not looking to refute any scripture. I'm wanting scriptural verification that GOD is comprised of three separate persons/ personalities/ spirits, essences or any other plurality other than the One Spirit.
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Excellent. Try again: In the beginning, 'was' (you are correct) the Word (so good, so far), and (means more, yes?) the Word was with God (oops, there went your theory). AND (means more) the Word WAS God. Scripture gets the last words. Neither you, nor I, nor an Arian do. This is it. Done deal. Scripture.
 
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popsthebuilder

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Lon said:
Excellent. Try again: In the beginning, 'was' (you are correct) the Word (so good, so far), and (means more, yes?) the Word was with God (oops, there went your theory). AND (means more) the Word WAS God. Scripture gets the last words. Neither you, nor I, nor an Arian do. This is it. Done deal. Scripture.
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Could you show me where in that single verse it says the Word was or even is a different Spirit from GOD.

You can use other scripture too; I was just messing around about it being the same verse; it's just that that single verse actually says "was God" not part or third or a separate spirit, but GOD.


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Lon

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popsthebuilder said:
Could you show me where in that single verse it says the Word was or even is a different Spirit from GOD.
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Yep, 'was with God'
popsthebuilder said:
You can use other scripture too; I was just messing around about it being the same verse; it's just that that single verse actually says "was God" not part or third or a separate spirit, but GOD.
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Yep: "Was God" AND "was with God." Verbatim.
 
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