If He is the Word, He is not the Father. Got it?
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If He is the Word, He is not the Father. Got it?
Lon
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No. It is an abuse of the text. There is NO precedence in all of scripture (or normal conversations) for this. It is a man-made heretical contrivance. You can 'try' to prove this wrong, but both you and Arians/Unitarians read this odd thing 'into' the text. Frankly the text doesn't say this AND you are making God in your own image. Stop it. I DON'T WANT God in my own image or your own image. I want Him as He is. You? :think:
:think: "...was God" AND "was with God..." That's what it says.
"IF" we are going beyond the written words, as such is here, "WE" are beyond God's words. I try very hard, to say what scripture says. You, by contrast, are having to use a LOT of words outside of this scripture to explain it :nono:
Keypurr, you believe the Lord Jesus rose from the dead, right? I get so mad at your arguing sometimes, but really, it's believing that He is risen, that unites us Christians, His Church and His Body. We don't agree on so many things, but I believe that we agree that His resurrection is nonfiction; am I correct in thinking that?
Best regards.
keypurr
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Yes my friend, I believed that God the Father raised Jesus Christ from the dead. I also believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord, made so by his snd our God.
God's Truth
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No. It s the truth that you deny.
That is what you do and you will not stop it until you do what Jesus says and humble yourself and repent. There is no other way.
Notice that you merely give opinions and denial. Why don't you deal with what I said without your mere opinions and denials? You do that with the scriptures too. You do make up your own god.
Jesus is the word of God and was with God and is God.
The Bible says that there is only one God and that He is the Father.
Why don't you believe those scriptures?
Seriously, tell me why you don't believe those scriptures?
Tell me if your words are with you and are you? Answer that question.
That is exactly what you do. You add words and even add other gods to make your one God.
We are not to add or take away.
You add to the scriptures and you add to your God.
Lon
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:nono: You made that up. John 17:3 doesn't say anything of the sort. It is as bad as saying "Love is God!" Changing the order makes a lie. God is Love, not the other way around. Equally, John 17:3 says the Father is the ONLY true God. It nowise is exclusive to just the Father when Jesus and the Father are One. An Arian has to make that up. You[']r[e] not as intelligent as you'd like to think you are. You make rookie mistakes like this and follow other rookies instead of those of us who know better. Better had you listened instead of trying to teach from your rookie-year
Case in point:
John 10:17 Acts 3:15 Romans 8:11
Scripture has NO problem equivocating where you refuse to acknowledge the same, creating false parameters where your mind seeks, willy nilly. You do NOT support the whole word of God. You are stuck in your rookie year.
popsthebuilder
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The words of the Christ of GOD himself don't have precedence over others?:nono: You made that up. John 17:3 doesn't say anything of the sort. It is as bad as saying "Love is God!" Changing the order makes a lie. God is Love, not the other way around. Equally, John 17:3 says the Father is the ONLY true God. It nowise is exclusive to just the Father when Jesus and the Father are One. An Arian has to make that up. You[']r[e] not as intelligent as you'd like to think you are. You make rookie mistakes like this and follow other rookies instead of those of us who know better. Better had you listened instead of trying to teach from your rookie-year
Case in point:
John 10:17 Acts 3:15 Romans 8:11
Scripture has NO problem equivocating where you refuse to acknowledge the same, creating false parameters where your mind seeks, willy nilly. You do NOT support the whole word of God. You are stuck in your rookie year.
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glorydaz
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The Christ of God or the Word of God?
You just can't bring yourself to call Him your Lord and God, can you?
He was more than the anointed (Messiah). He is God incarnate...the Word became flesh.
You stumble over the Rock of offense....it shows. Don't be claiming you know Him.
God's Truth
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God's Truth
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What Pops said is scripture.
popsthebuilder
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Love that assumption and projection.
You always want to claim people are imagining your evil acts when it is you who imagines all sorts of vileness emanating from others.
So I'll ask again;
Do the words of Jesus the Christ, my Lord GOD have precedence over the words of others in the Bible?
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lifeisgood
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Why don't you obey Jesus, gt?
Have you sold all you have and given it all to the poor?
Have you started your ministry in Jerusalem and the surrounding villages/cities, etc.?
lifeisgood
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Still not answered the question. Just in case you missed it the question was:
How much OBEYING / RIGHT did the thief on the Cross presented to Jesus for Jesus to find him righteous and save him?
The answer is so easy a two-year-old child could answer it in less than two seconds, but 'scholars' have such difficulty answering it is quite a sight to behold.
lifeisgood
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Thank you for letting me know that you rest on your own understanding.