The Trinity

[JudgeRightly]

If I have a dollar and decide to split it between three separate persons as close to evenly as I can then two persons would have ¢33 or % each, and one would have ¢34 or % of the whole dollar.
Individually each would have about a third of the whole. Yet together they would make up the entire whole.

The same simple logic applies to anything that is comprised of three equal parts.

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Your dollar bill analogy doesn't work, or at least your attempt to make it work doesn't.

God is triune. Three in one.

The three Persons coexist as one God.

If my dollar bill were to accurately represent God, I would have a single dollar bill when looking at it from one direction, and three dollar bills, from another direction, yet I would still have only one $1 bill. From the second perspective, each of the three apparent dollar bills would look and feel and smell and sound and taste exactly like the single dollar bill from the first perspective, but they would each be distinct from each other, and from that second perspective, I would have three individual dollar bills. But going back to the first perspective, I would only have one dollar bill.

The above analogy better fits the God of the Bible, and therefore the trinity.

 

[glorydaz]

If I have a dollar and decide to split it between three separate persons as close to evenly as I can then two persons would have ¢33 or % each, and one would have ¢34 or % of the whole dollar.
Individually each would have about a third of the whole. Yet together they would make up the entire whole.

The same simple logic applies to anything that is comprised of three equal parts.

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Your dollar bill analogy doesn't work, or at least your attempt to make it work doesn't.

God is triune. Three in one.

The three Persons coexist as one God.

If my dollar bill were to accurately represent God, I would have a single dollar bill when looking at it from one direction, and three dollar bills, from another direction, yet I would still have only one $1 bill. From the second perspective, each of the three apparent dollar bills would look and feel and smell and sound and taste exactly like the single dollar bill from the first perspective, but they would each be distinct from each other, and from that second perspective, I would have three individual dollar bills. But going back to the first perspective, I would only have one dollar bill.

The above analogy better fits the God of the Bible, and therefore the trinity.

I'm very glad that you agree that the three differences aren't persons, but perspectives when speaking of the perceivable nature of GOD(Creator) from the perspective of man(creation).

I've stated such myself here numerous times only to be refuted. Regardless; i'm glad we seem to agree on a point.



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[popsthebuilder]

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Exactly.

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[glorydaz]

I'm very glad that you agree that the three different things aren't persons, but perspectives.

I've stated such myself here numerous times only to be refuted. Regardless; im glad we seem to agree on a point.

Perspectives? We can grieve the Holy Spirit. Can we grieve a perspective?

Can a perspective come and dwell in us?

Is a perspective called a "he"?

Personhood. Father, Son, Holy Spirit equals One God.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Perspectives? We can grieve the Holy Spirit. Can we grieve a perspective?

Can a perspective come and dwell in us?

Is a perspective called a "he"?

Personhood. Father, Son, Holy Spirit equals One God.

...And One Spirit known through three perspectives not persons.

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[glorydaz]

Exactly.

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Then why compare God to a dollar bill? That verse says you shouldn't even attempt to split God up like you can a dollar bill. It won't work.

God is so amazingly "complicated" that you can't even begin to imagine what the Word of God insists you believe. You are, instead, forced to reject much of what the Bible says, simply because it is beyond your comprehension.

We, at least, believe the Scripture, no matter how unbelievable it might seem to our natural thinking.

 

[glorydaz]

...And One Spirit known through three perspectives not persons.

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No scripture to support that claim, Pops.

You end up making stuff up just like Keypurr does.

Too bad you just can't accept all of scripture instead of adjusting it.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Then why compare God to a dollar bill? That verse says you shouldn't even attempt to split God up like you can a dollar bill. It won't work.

God is so amazingly "complicated" that you can't even begin to imagine what the Word of God insists you believe. You are, instead, forced to reject much of what the Bible says, simply because it is beyond your comprehension.

We, at least, believe the Scripture, no matter how unbelievable it might seem to our natural thinking.

I'm happy to verify what scripture actually says about the simplicity of the things of GOD as far as man is concerned. Faith isn't actually synonymous with gullibiliy, or blind faith in the traditions of errenious men.

Same One Spirit.

It's all through scripture....the whole book......sorta similar to repentance of what one knows is evil or wrong, and lack of repentance from what one knows is genuinely good and right and not for the sake of self; the whole book.

-Father- GOD is Spirit.

-son-Jesus, though He may have or have not had a different spirit from GOD as He walked the Earth as a man; He has been reunited with GOD now, in these times; and is the same Spirit that He was from and of initially.

-Holy Ghost- Holy Spirit is the effectual Spirit of GOD, and is, as if I needed to say it; Spirit.

It isn't three separate spirits. It is One Spirit.

It isn't three personalities, because GOD is so so much more than what can be conveyed by the personalities of man(creation). The very word person limits the subject to the nature of man/ woman (people) which are creation. You should see a problem with that...really.

Surely our One GOD doesn't have a split personality, would three persons doesn't really work, especially if you don't want to seem like a polytheistic idol worshipper, not that you should care what others think other than the One GOD.

It is odd to me how people seem to understand that the very Spirit of GOD dwells in them, but then really, sincerely think that they aren't to follow that Spirit or do anything with the salvation they received. Are they not aware that only the very elect are immune to succumbing to temptation? Or are they so proud as to consider themselves the very elect? If the latter then such would be a hypocrite and a fraud.

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[popsthebuilder]

No scripture to support that claim, Pops.

You end up making stuff up just like Keypurr does.

Too bad you just can't accept all of scripture instead of adjusting it.

Cool cool; just show me the scripture that says three persons..... I'll wait.




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[lifeisgood]

Did God make the path straight of one who did nothing, or to the one who obeyed God by leaning not on their own understanding?

That scripture was so powerful in my life too when I was saved.

How much obeying did the thief on the Cross presented to Jesus for Jesus to find him righteous and save him?

 

[lifeisgood]

What are you getting at?

That an UNbeliever will never on its own look for God the Bible says so.

Do you think unbelievers are doomed to stay that way?

God forbid. That's why the Bible says to go and preach the Gospel of salvation in season and out of season that maybe some hearing it will accept the offer of salvation. Sad not all will accept when they hear.

Was me hoping on GOD wrong because I was an unbeliever?

An UNbeliever does not hope on God, does not look for God, does not want to know anything about God, the Bible says so.

If you were hoping on God, it seems to me that the Lord was already tugging at your heart already. I do not know your testimony, but the Lord tugged at my heart for almost two years before He accepted Me and made me His.

 

[lifeisgood]

Both, believe it or not.

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Another example that the Lord was tugging at your heart, even though you did not know it then.

 

[lifeisgood]

Just because a person doesn't know they will be saved doesn't mean GOD didn't know all along.
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:doh:

 

[lifeisgood]

If I have a dollar and decide to split it between three separate persons as close to evenly as I can then two persons would have ¢33 or % each, and one would have ¢34 or % of the whole dollar.
Individually each would have about a third of the whole. Yet together they would make up the entire whole.

The same simple logic applies to anything that is comprised of three equal parts.

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Your false doctrine stinks from here to high heaven.

God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three Persons. Not 1/3 of anything. That's your false doctrine talking and you false doctrine really stinks.

 

[God's Truth]

Another example that the Lord was tugging at your heart, even though you did not know it then.

Jesus died for all. God wants all to come to a knowledge of the truth and be saved --Jesus

 

[popsthebuilder]

How much obeying did the thief on the Cross presented to Jesus for Jesus to find him righteous and save him?

He glorified GOD by believing Christ which caused him to rebuke the other thief.

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[popsthebuilder]

Your false doctrine stinks from here to high heaven.

God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three Persons. Not 1/3 of anything. That's your false doctrine talking and you false doctrine really stinks.

It isn't my doctrine at all. Only logic applied to yours it seems.

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[God's Truth]

That an UNbeliever will never on its own look for God the Bible says so.

Where does the Bible say that?

An UNbeliever does not hope on God, does not look for God, does not want to know anything about God, the Bible says so.

There are people who are NOT SURE and Jesus speaks about them and says that if they will do what he says then they can know.

If you were hoping on God, it seems to me that the Lord was already tugging at your heart already. I do not know your testimony, but the Lord tugged at my heart for almost two years before He accepted Me and made me His.

Give the scripture about God tugging on our hearts.
As for you saying God accepted you, well God only accepts those who do right, but you deny that.

 

[lifeisgood]

You should be more careful what you say.

By the way, your trinity doctrine contradicts itself because it says the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit TOGETHER make one God---but the problem is, is that your trinity doctrine say they are separate. You cannot have it both ways. You says they are separate---so if they are separate, what are they when they are separate? Are they 1/3 God?

Your doctrine is false.
God the Father is SPIRIT. The Lord Jesus is Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Spirit. There is only ONE SPIRIT.

Did you read that what I just said? I can give you scripture references for each thing I said.

No, gt, the Bible says God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

What? Has your false doctrine run out that now, you are going to follow popsthebuilder? Yes, you are following popsthebuilder. When have you ever said that God is 1/3 of anything. I'll answer that for you. NEVER, at least since I came here, until popsthebuilder brought his stinking from here to high heaven false doctrine.

Now, if you want to follow popsthebuilder and reject that the Bible says God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, that is for you to decide.