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[popsthebuilder]

:sigh: :doh: NOT TO BE SAVED, popsthebuilder, otherwise God couldn't save any, not even you, or gt with all your works of obedience. No UNbeliever has EVER OBEYED God in anything.



NOT TO BE SAVED popsthebuilder. NOT TO BE SAVED.



You, I, or, any other person who has ever heard the Gospel of Salvation have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO BE SAVED. Salvation is God's job.

And if you, like gt, say that you have done anything TO BE SAVED, you need to hear the Gospel of salvation and allow the Lord to do HIS JOB, because neither you, nor I, nor any one else can save ourselves with all the works of obedience you can ever present to God. So, please, stop trying to do God's job and let Him save you, or anybody else, which is HIS JOB.

Please, don't come back with the 'I never said I was God' or I'll have to ask you to put on the helmet of comprehension on.

2 Corinthians 7: 15. And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

Ephesians 6: 5. Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; 6. Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 7. With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: 8. Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

Philippians 2: 10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. 14. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: 15. That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 16. Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

(Are you aware of what/who you are refuting)

I do not agree that one does to be saved; I do believe in effectual faith that causes change in the believer.

If you call hoping on the Lord in desperation and admittance of one's own inability to save themselves wrong, well, then...I guess you're entitled to that opinion; though I wouldn't conflate that with truth by any means.





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[popsthebuilder]

You, popsthebuilder, lean on your own understanding. Hope it is working for you.

My understanding isn't my own, but was given to me freely,as was my discernment. I will be ever thankful; and the work of GOD will not be in vain.

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[popsthebuilder]

Go boss somebody else, popsthebuilder.



I assume nothing. I go by what you write, exactly as you do with anyone else here.



It is not scriptural that a UNbeliever CAN OBEY God being a UNbeliever. It does not matter how many times that lie is repeated.



Thank you for letting me know.



Being that you used so many capitals, God's Truth is hitting exactly where it is supposed to, and I ain't talking about gt.

Emotional response due to the assuming and outright false words of another person should never be conflated with the work of GOD. That you equate such to a reaction to your own words is yet another indicator of particular things.

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[lifeisgood]

Emotional response due to the assuming and outright false words of another person should never be conflated with the work of GOD. That you equate such to a reaction to your own words is yet another indicator of particular things.

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Thank you for your opinion.

 

[lifeisgood]

2 Corinthians 7:15. And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

To whom was 2 Corinthians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.

Ephesians 6: 5. Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; 6. Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 7. With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: 8. Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

To whom was Ephesians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.

Philippians 2:10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. 14. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: 15. That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 16. Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

To whom was Philippians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.

(Are you aware of what/who you are refuting)

Yes. You, popsthebuilder.

I do not agree that one does to be saved; I do believe in effectual faith that causes change in the believer.

Like when you answered a question I directed to you, thus:

You, lifeisggod, asked if I thought as gt does, that unbelievers can OBEY GOD while in unbelief.

For your sake I would honestly answer is a resounding yes.

Or when I asked and you, popsthebuilder, said:

How much did I bring to be saved? What did I do? Trick questions.

Got it.

If you call hoping on the Lord in desperation and admittance of one's own inability to save themselves wrong, well, then...I guess you're entitled to that opinion; though I wouldn't conflate that with truth by any means.

Thank you for your opinion.

 

[lifeisgood]

My understanding isn't my own, but was given to me freely,as was my discernment. I will be ever thankful; and the work of GOD will not be in vain.

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You received 'my understanding isn't my own', when you were a UNbeliever and OBEYING or when a believer and walking with the Lord?

 

[lifeisgood]

No one is saved before they are saved.

Agreed.

Jesus is the Way and he tells us what to do to get saved.

Come to me all who are tired and heavy laden and I, Jesus, will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28)

He tells us what has happened in the heart of one who is about to get saved, and what happens in the heart after one is saved.

Agreed.

I want to talk about the deeper things of God and help those who just don't feel that they are saved, or they don't know for sure.

You can't talk about the deeper things of God if your foundation is not the solid rock. You preach that a UNbeliever can OBEY God before God saves them. Therefore that foundation is sinking sand.

If you did get saved when you say you did, it does not mean you did not fall into the snare of the devil to teach things against salvation.

So, now you are impugning my salvation. Got it. Where is your totally fantastic and powerful testimony that you are terrified to tell anybody about?

God says to add to your faith 'knowledge'.

Agree.

You are not adding knowledge to your faith you are fighting it, which makes me see that you have been ensnared.

 

[lifeisgood]

If three separate persons making one god then any of the three by themselves would be 1/3 of the whole.

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Your false doctrine stinks from here to high heaven.

God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three Persons. Not 1/3 of anything. That's your false doctrine talking and you false doctrine really stinks.

 

[God's Truth]

Agreed.

Well you saying God held your hand before you were saved---that is being saved.
God doesn’t even know those who don’t obey Him.
Just ask me for the scripture if you don’t know it.

Come to me all who are tired and heavy laden and I, Jesus, will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28)

That is about the Jews WHO OBEYED, and those Jews were tired from doing the work of cleaning themselves---by way of the ceremonial works.

Agreed.

You say you agree but you really do not because Jesus tells us what has happened in the heart of one who is about to get saved so that anyone can do those things and get saved. Jesus IS THE WAY. Do you really think Jesus says anywhere that the way is not to do what he says? But YOU teach that. You teach we are not to do anything.

You can't talk about the deeper things of God if your foundation is not the solid rock. You preach that a UNbeliever can OBEY God before God saves them. Therefore that foundation is sinking sand.

I gave you scripture about a person getting faith, believing---after they obeyed God.

Why don’t you, instead of merely denying what I say and or mixing it up, why don’t you tell me what you think John 7:17 means. However, what good is it to talk to you when you don’t see the obvious in even your own testimony. You obeyed and that is why you were saved.

So, now you are impugning my salvation. Got it. Where is your totally fantastic and powerful testimony that you are terrified to tell anybody about?

No one here wants to hear it for good reasons; they want to hear it for ridicule. I will not share it here for that reason.
I don’t believe that you added to your faith knowledge, for if you did you would have read the scripture that says to WATCH your DOCTRINE carefully, or you won’t be saved.
You will be one who goes against the Truth and ridicule those who are saved.

1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

 

[God's Truth]

Your false doctrine stinks from here to high heaven.

God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three Persons. Not 1/3 of anything. That's your false doctrine talking and you false doctrine really stinks.

You should be more careful what you say.

By the way, your trinity doctrine contradicts itself because it says the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit TOGETHER make one God---but the problem is, is that your trinity doctrine say they are separate. You cannot have it both ways. You says they are separate---so if they are separate, what are they when they are separate? Are they 1/3 God?

Your doctrine is false.
God the Father is SPIRIT. The Lord Jesus is Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Spirit. There is only ONE SPIRIT.

Did you read that what I just said? I can give you scripture references for each thing I said.

 

[God's Truth]

You don't even know what slander is. Go look it up.

Is 'libel' in the Bible? Oh yeah, it doesn't matter because trinity isn't either. Who cares about your little tiny knowledge about suing someone? I am speaking about the scriptures, not about your worldly wisdom.

 

[God's Truth]

2 Corinthians 7: 15. And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

Ephesians 6: 5. Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; 6. Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 7. With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: 8. Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

Philippians 2: 10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. 14. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: 15. That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 16. Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

(Are you aware of what/who you are refuting)

I do not agree that one does to be saved; I do believe in effectual faith that causes change in the believer.

If you call hoping on the Lord in desperation and admittance of one's own inability to save themselves wrong, well, then...I guess you're entitled to that opinion; though I wouldn't conflate that with truth by any means.





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Beautiful scriptures and proof that we have to do something more than just believe to be saved.

2 Corinthians 7: 15. And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

I am so saddened that there are MANY people who have been talked into believing they did nothing and have to do nothing to get saved and stay saved. If they would have continued to work out their salvation with trembling and fear they would know God and they would not be letting Satan have his way with their body as they suffer and do what God hates.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

 

[God's Truth]

To whom was 2 Corinthians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.

They received him with OBEDIENCE and trembling and fear.

 

[God's Truth]

To whom was 2 Corinthians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.



To whom was Ephesians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.



To whom was Philippians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.



Yes. You, popsthebuilder.



Like when you answered a question I directed to you, thus:


Or when I asked and you, popsthebuilder, said:


Got it.



Thank you for your opinion.

2 Timothy 2:26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.


That scripture is for you, for who but the devil would go against others for preaching obedience?

 

[God's Truth]

You received 'my understanding isn't my own', when you were a UNbeliever and OBEYING or when a believer and walking with the Lord?

Did God make the path straight of one who did nothing, or to the one who obeyed God by leaning not on their own understanding?

That scripture was so powerful in my life too when I was saved.

 

[popsthebuilder]

To whom was 2 Corinthians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.



To whom was Ephesians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.



To whom was Philippians written to? It wasn't for UNbelivers. God was not, through Paul, commending UNbelievers.



Yes. You, popsthebuilder.



Like when you answered a question I directed to you, thus:


Or when I asked and you, popsthebuilder, said:


Got it.



Thank you for your opinion.

What are you getting at?

Do you think unbelievers are doomed to stay that way?

Was me hoping on GOD wrong because I was an unbeliever?

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[popsthebuilder]

You received 'my understanding isn't my own', when you were a UNbeliever and OBEYING or when a believer and walking with the Lord?

Both, believe it or not.

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[popsthebuilder]

Agreed.



Come to me all who are tired and heavy laden and I, Jesus, will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28)



Agreed.



You can't talk about the deeper things of God if your foundation is not the solid rock. You preach that a UNbeliever can OBEY God before God saves them. Therefore that foundation is sinking sand.



So, now you are impugning my salvation. Got it. Where is your totally fantastic and powerful testimony that you are terrified to tell anybody about?



Agree.

Just because a person doesn't know they will be saved doesn't mean GOD didn't know all along.



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[popsthebuilder]

Your false doctrine stinks from here to high heaven.

God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three Persons. Not 1/3 of anything. That's your false doctrine talking and you false doctrine really stinks.

If I have a dollar and decide to split it between three separate persons as close to evenly as I can then two persons would have ¢33 or % each, and one would have ¢34 or % of the whole dollar.
Individually each would have about a third of the whole. Yet together they would make up the entire whole.

The same simple logic applies to anything that is comprised of three equal parts.

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[Lazy afternoon]

When did the Father entered Jesus, LA? When?



[/SPOILER]

God was IN Christ during His ministry from His baptism onward but not permanently nor fully until His resurrection.

Jesus was completed the word made flesh by His age of 30 years.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Joh 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

LA