Right Divider
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Everyone gets life by faith. God tells different people to do different things at different times.
I'm surprised that a Bible scholar like you does not know these things.
The Trinity
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I'm surprised that a Bible scholar like you does not know these things.
Right Divider
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That's NOT what Paul said in THAT SCRIPTURE!
We know.
Well who are they then? And what do they do? And are any Christians supposed to listen to what they teach?
I've learned enough to know that the OLDEST Christian tradition that teaches the Trinity that YOU BELIEVE is the Catholic Church, and that makes discussing the Catholic Church ITT right on topic.
The Catholic Church is the Church in the Bible. Her bishops are the bishops in the Bible. Her teaching on the Trinity is what YOU BELIEVE.
There is no authorized, infallible teaching to do that. Christians are free to do any number of things that aren't explicitly formally officially taught by the Church. Like, drinking water and eating food is not taught, but the Church is free to do those things.
Where? In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, where?
Where in the Catechism of the Catholic Church is this taught?
Peter infallibly and unilaterally declared that all of Paul's epistles were Scripture.
What is an infallible pope? That's not a Catholic or Christian term. And what is your trouble with the Church living out what Paul said, preaching Christ and Him crucified?
The Church that hashed out the Trinity teaching is not acceptable to you? You're all over the place.
Vs. that Christ spoke a language in which the word for rock and Peter's name are the same.
When translated into Greek (cf. John 1:42 KJV) of course the fact that the Greek word for rock is feminine became an issue, and Peter, being a man, would have to have the feminine word turned masculine. Otherwise you'd have him with a feminine name.
God's Truth
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No it is not confusing.
It used to be a person was saved by doing the ceremonial works. God commanded it and one must do what God commands.
God's Truth
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We have to obey the One and Paul does not say we do not have to.
Right Divider
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Gal 2:16 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:16) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Although, it does make some sense that you say what you say.... since you don't believe Paul.
God's Truth
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So speak up and stop hiding. Yes or no, do GENTILES get life by obeying Jesus' words?
You said you don't speak against obeying Jesus, so tell us how we are doing right by obeying what Jesus taught while he walked the earth.
God's Truth
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That scripture is about no one is justified by the old law ANYMORE.
Jesus was not preached in the Old Testament because it was by the ceremonial works at that time UNTIL Jesus.
All are saved by believing and obeying God and when God commanded the ceremonial works, one had to do it if they wanted to be forgiven for their sins.
Now try to prove me wrong.
Right Divider
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Like these word of Jesus:
Matt 16:20 (AKJV/PCE)
(16:20) Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
We are to obey God's current instructions to US. And even then salvation is not gained by "perfect obedience" as you claim to have. Nobody obeys perfectly, expect the LORD Jesus Christ.
Right Divider
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It does NOT say that. You always try to ADD to the Word of God. That is a grievous SIN from the one that claims perfect obedience.
popsthebuilder
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But I thought you were claiming that the one true church of Christ by default is trinitarian; pretty much calling belief in the trinity the only truth and as such, salvific.
Please donexolain where I am wrong. Thank you.
God's Truth
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Are you trying to mock Jesus, or are you trying to give a reason to say Jesus was absurd so we don't have to obey anything he says? Tell me WHAT WE HAVE TO OBEY that Jesus said while he walked the earth and not what he did not tell us all to do.
So then, are you ready to say straight out that we don't have to obey ANYTHING that Jesus taught when he walked the earth?
That is sick and you must know it is or else you wouldn't be throwing a maze into this discussion.
I say to obey Jesus and stop going against me for saying it, then you say I never said that you liar, then I say what then do we have to obey, and you say do we have to obey the tell know one scripture?
Enough with your silly maze and speak the truth that you go against me because I say we are to obey Jesus' teachings.
You go against obeying Jesus and you are seriously wrong in the eyes of God for it.
popsthebuilder
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So do you think that if Noah did not build an ark, and went against the instruction of the Lord GOD, that he would have still been found righteous in the sight of GOD?
God's Truth
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This is the scripture you don't understand and misuse:
Galatians 2:16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
Was Jesus preached about as a way to salvation in the Old Testament?
No, you know you are not speaking the truth.
Did the people have atonement for their sins by doing the ceremonial works?
Yes, they did, and I gave you scriptures.
Right Divider
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Your profound confusion is ridiculous. Make us a LONG and CLEAR list of ALL of the things that Jesus told us ALL to do.
Nope, but I know that's what your silly little mind thinks.
Obey Jesus and join the body of Christ.
God's Truth
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You STILL will NOT tell us what we have to obey Jesus when he walked the earth.
So then, stop telling me you do not go against our obeying Jesus!
God's Truth
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You say that to me because you believe Jesus says we don't have to obey.
What a twisted web you made.
So tell me then where Jesus says we don't have to obey him.
Tell me anywhere it is said.
musterion
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She will never give it because the liar doesn't even try to do everything He said. Giving a list would only prove she doesn't.
God's Truth
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It is outrageous that I have people here going against me for my saying to obey Jesus.
I am called a liar and other false things.
Yet we all who can see can see that it is true, I am attacked because I preach obedience to Christ and Right Divider and others here preach Christ says the way is to not obey.
I am called a liar and other false things.
Yet we all who can see can see that it is true, I am attacked because I preach obedience to Christ and Right Divider and others here preach Christ says the way is to not obey.
Right Divider
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Rom 3:19-20 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:19) Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. (3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
Gal 2:16 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:16) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
It does NOT SAY "no longer justified".... that is YOUR PERVERTED changing of the Word of God!
Truly shameful on your part!
And YET they had to do it YEAR AFTER YEAR.