The Trinity

[God's Truth]

No, popsthebuilder, gt, says that you MUST OBEY before you hear the Gospel.

I never said that.

There are people, according to the Bible, the people DO RIGHT and do not have the law.


One must believe AND OBEY THE GOSPEL to be saved

She also says that she OBEYS ALL of Jesus' commandments exactly as He said, then when asked, she said that she does not, and then continues to say that she obeys Jesus' exactly.

You are a person who does not care much about the truth.

 

[Right Divider]

Abraham OBEYED before any faith scriptures were spoken of.

Read this scripture, it is about Abraham obeying, and it is before your faith scripture.

Genesis 12:1
Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you;

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.

That is IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, Little Miss Misdirection.

Paul tells us on what BASIS Abraham was declare righteous and it was because HE BELIEVED GOD.

Rom 4:3 (AKJV/PCE)​

(4:3) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
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Try as you might, you will NOT make that scripture go away.

Now read this scripture and tell me if God says ‘because Abraham had FAITH’, or ‘because Abraham obeyed’.

Genesis 26:4-5I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."

You need to think more carefully when you want to dismiss obeying.

I have NEVER "dismissed obeying" as you FALSELY (lie) claim.

 

[Right Divider]

Are you kidding me? You are going against me because I say you have to have both to be saved and to stay saved.

You were taught wrong about faith and no works. You think it means faith and no obey!

You think obeying means faith and don't obey!

Nobody receives salvation because of how well they obey.

 

[Right Divider]

The ceremonial works were the works one had to do to be called a child of God, it is the works one had to do to get the blessings from God and not be cut off.

You are badly mistaken.

Your claim that some were once upon a time saved by works is Satanic.

 

[lifeisgood]

One must believe AND OBEY THE GOSPEL to be saved.

See, you just confirmed what I said you say all the time.

I wonder what gospel you supposedly obeyed and then you were saved.

 

[lifeisgood]

NO ONE will be SAVED by FAITH ALONE

FAITH ALONE does NOT save it is dead.

What don't you get about BELIEVING IS OBEYING but is it NOT the only thing we are told to do.

All you did is prove how much more I mean to God.

 

[God's Truth]

Lifeisgood, Why did you post that last post I made to Bright Raven? I said that to BR because he called me a foul name.

All the other things I posted that you quoted are proven with scriptures that we have to obey.

 

[God's Truth]

See, you just confirmed what I said you say all the time.

I wonder what gospel you supposedly obeyed and then you were saved.

There is only one gospel that saves.

 

[God's Truth]

Your claim that some were once upon a time saved by works is Satanic.

That is a horrific thing to say about something you obviously don't understand.

Read this scripture:

Hebrews 9:22
According to the Law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.


Did you read that?

That is about the shedding of ANIMAL BLOOD so the Jews could have forgiven from God for their sins.

Do you know what atonement means?

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.


Did you read that?

Now do you want to be more careful about what you say about things you obviously don't know much about?


Read this scripture:

Romans 9:4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory and the covenants; theirs the giving of the Law, the temple worship, and the promises. 5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them proceeds the human descent of Christ, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise! Amen.


Did you read how the Jews were the adoption of sons? Do you really think that God would adopt them if they did not obey the ceremonial works?

Read this scripture:

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,


The Jews were not dead in their sins like the Gentiles were because the Jews obeyed God and got circumcised.

A person is saved by believing and obeying God. God is the one who said to do the ceremonial works.

 

[God's Truth]

Nobody receives salvation because of how well they obey.

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

 

[God's Truth]

That is IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, Little Miss Misdirection.

Your insults and denials are not defense for any

Paul tells us on what BASIS Abraham was declare righteous and it was because HE BELIEVED GOD.

Rom 4:3 (AKJV/PCE)​

(4:3) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
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Paul says was it before circumcision or after. That is about faith and not the work of circumcision. That is Faith vs ceremonial works.

Try as you might, you will NOT make that scripture go away.

I love all the scriptures.

I have NEVER "dismissed obeying" as you FALSELY (lie) claim.

You are going against me for my saying we have to believe and obey to get saved. Why are you acting like you do not? Are you trying to be confusing?

 

[God's Truth]

Your claim that some were once upon a time saved by works is Satanic.

Tell me, did Noah a righteous man and a preacher of righteousness who built an ark get saved for all that righteousness and ark building?

 

[Nihilo]

Please start a new thread about the ROMAN Catholic Church for this thread is about the Trinity.

Stop talking to Gt about the Gospel then.

The OLDEST Christian tradition, even though you don't acknowledge that the biblical bishops are still here today with us, teaches the definitive Trinity, which is right on topic.

There are 15 million posts in this thread. I don't accept that the Trinity and Catholicism are divergent. Your spat with Gt about the Gospel is more divergent than that.

And, the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church. You keep emphasizing ROMAN like it means something, and you're just adding a word in there you don't need. There's a whole book of the Bible called ROMANS, and you don't seem concerned about that, why are you all upset about me dropping the word from the Catholic Church.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Stop talking to Gt about the Gospel then.

The OLDEST Christian tradition, even though you don't acknowledge that the biblical bishops are still here today with us, teaches the definitive Trinity, which is right on topic.

There are 15 million posts in this thread. I don't accept that the Trinity and Catholicism are divergent. Your spat with Gt about the Gospel is more divergent than that.

And, the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church. You keep emphasizing ROMAN like it means something, and you're just adding a word in there you don't need. There's a whole book of the Bible called ROMANS, and you don't seem concerned about that, why are you all upset about me dropping the word from the Catholic Church.

Why doesn't Catholic mean catholic; as in universal? According to the written word of GOD; near the end the faithful towards GOD will be comprised of all nations. Universal fits, as would the word Catholic, but the Catholic Church seems quite separated from other divisions or sects of Christianity.

Could you define the divisions of the trinity as per what you consider salvific about the doctrine?

 

[Nihilo]

There are many.

I do not believe the Bible to be the only writings of man inspired by GOD.

What are they? The didache? Clement's epistles? Name some, out of curiosity.

you don't have to be too quick to deduce that all writings in the bible with regards to the whore of Babylon are a reference to the blatant misdirection of the ancient rcc.

I wouldn't expect you to agree, but I would appreciate it if you didn't pretend like I made it up out of thin air.

lain: To .. not "pretend," like you made it up out of thin air, would be to lend credence to your error. What you'd appreciate, is not something that I can do.

Their works speak against them. The change in their doctrine over time shows their mutability.

What are the works of today's bishops that you're thinking about? And what change in doctrine?

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

You keep emphasizing ROMAN like it means something, and you're just adding a word in there you don't need.

It does mean something:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanism

Stop trying to make mountains out of mole hills. The term is perfectly appropriate.

AMR

 

[glorydaz]

Lifeisgood, Why did you post that last post I made to Bright Raven? I said that to BR because he called me a foul name.

All the other things I posted that you quoted are proven with scriptures that we have to obey.

Just more proof of your boasting. Did it embarrass you?
It should.

 

[glorydaz]

There is only one gospel that saves.

True, but you don't preach it. That's what everyone is trying to tell you.

 

[God's Truth]

True, but you don't preach it. That's what everyone is trying to tell you.

I do preach it.

Believe and obey Jesus.

That is what I preach.

 

[God's Truth]

Just more proof of your boasting. Did it embarrass you?
It should.

Preaching the truth never embarrasses me.