You've been put under ground in a grave or tomb?
Yes, as there is no difference.
Which is why you have to put quotes around it--you were never flogged, had your beard pulled out, were required to carry your wooden cross, had nails driven into your hands and feet, had a spear thrust through your side, were taken down lifeless from a cross and buried in a tomb for three days. Never.
Jesus did that for us, and all we had to do to be raised with Him to walk in newness of life was get water baptized into Him and into His death, burial, and resurrection.
Noah's family actually had those things that happened to Noah happen to them.
If we have the faith to believe, we can partake in Jesus' plight the same way the family of Noah partook in Noah's plight.
You were only dead, buried, and raised vicariously--i.e., it didn't happen to you, personally, but to Christ on your account.
Got faith?
Paul said we could be there "in Him" for Jesus' sufferings. (Rom 6:3-6)
Depends on what you mean. I'm alive, and I still sin, though I don't want to. I have the mind of Christ, but I don't have my resurrected body like He does.
If you "don't want to", believe what I write and be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)
Become "freed from sin". (Rom 6:7)
Actually, the vessel of the Holy Ghost now.
Yet you will die, you will be buried, you will be raised from the dead. If you did all that already, and now you're going to have to do it again, how worthwhile was the first time through?
By "me" you must mean the vessel the Holy Spirit walks around in.
I personally will live forever.
Romans 6:8 KJV — Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
I.e., we aren't living with Him now in that way, because the passage speaks of a future tense (we shall live with Him), nor have we died yet,
You see it from a futuristic perspective because you aren't raised with Him to walk in newness of life withour believing you died with Him at your water baptism into Him and His death.
That is all past tense for me.
Thanks be to God !
So death still exercises some dominion over you, but not Christ:
Romans 6:9 KJV — Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
He in whom I walk will have no more death having any dominion over Him, so neither shall I.
So we should not act as though we are still bound by sin, leading to death, but as if we are dead to sin and already alive into God, as Christ is (that's what "reckon" means...act like this is already the case):
It is an easy reckoning when you believe what accomplishes it.
Water baptism.
Romans 6:11 KJV — Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
In light of that, this is how we should live:
Romans 6:12 KJV — Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body (mortal because it is going to die), that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Perfectly sinless.
My flesh was crucified with Christ, along with my vile affections and lusts. (Gal 5:24)
Your salvation has not been completed, because you haven't been resurrected. Obeying Christ is a good thing, but it doesn't get you resurrected before you die.
We still have final judgement to go through, wherein we will find out if our names are in the book of life.
But we can be raised with Christ, from His grave, to walk in newness of life.
Suffering in the flesh helps us understand/have the same mind better. But it doesn't save us. Nor is our suffering the same exact thing as what Christ suffered.
It is written..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God." (1 Peter 4:1-2)
But to say you have been actually buried with Christ physically is nonsensical, since He was resurrected long before you existed. You couldn't be physically buried with a person who stopped being buried 2000 years before you were born.
Got faith?
Why? To have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts is metaphorically telling us not to allow those lists to continue or control us. You can't physically crucify something that isn't physical.
It is telling us the truth.
Faith in something that can't save is useless. There's no power in that to save us. That would be misplaced faith.
I beg to differ.
It is written...
- Luke 7:50
And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luke 18:42
- And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
Ephesians 2:8
- For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
And continues with:
through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Amen, and thank God for faith.
Faith is in something God will do (something we still hope for) to us, like He did with Christ...resurrect us.
God will resurrect us alright, but we will have new vessels then.
True. Because our salvation includes the resurrection, which hasn't happened yet.
Agreed, unless you re still alive when He returns.
Yes and no. You're a new creature that carries around the old creature's baggage.
Sorry, that is counter to what 2 Cor 5:17says..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
My old baggage has "passed away".
It's not your obedience that saves you--your obedience is worthless in helping you to rise from the dead.
The disobedient will also be "raised form the dead": but the resurrection isn't the final step.
The final judgement is.
