Then the Ephesians are confused by what Paul wrote:
Ephesians 4:21-23 KJV — If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
They were told they had to do something, that it wasn't already accomplished merely by their baptism. And they had to be renewed in the Spirit of their minds, because they weren't yet renewed in their bodies.
We don't know if everyone at Eph. knew what the OG's, (older converts), knew so this may have been info' for newbies...or men searching for the truth 2000 years later.
On the other hand, if the OG's were not exhibiting Christ in their walks, it is a sign they didn't have faith in what happens at water baptism.
Even if we have the faith to believe Him, we still have this body of flesh to deal with.
What was the last sin your skin and bones committed?
How can your "flesh" do anything without the mind's initialization of the act.
(I'm getting tired of folks blaming their hands and eyes for their sins.)
Romans 7:24-25 KJV — O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Answered in Rom 6:6..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
There you see the choice the faithful are given.
Serve the mind oriented on Christ.
The flesh was killed with Christ.
It is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
When the word "flesh" is mentioned in scripture it is most often the worldly oriented mind that is being discussed, not the skin and bone vessel of the Holy Ghost.
Though in Gal 5:24 it is both, in Rom 7:25 it is the mind that is the topic of Paul's epilogue of Rom 7.
No, it's about our resurrection, for which we trust Him. And trusting Him gives is a new perspective on life, so that we no longer "eat and drink for tomorrow we die." Rather we buffet our bodies to bring them under submission.
1 Corinthians 9:27 ASV — but I buffet my body, and bring it into bondage: lest by any means, after that I have preached to others, I myself should be rejected.
It is about our being raised with Christ after we were killed and buried with Him.
"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:" (Rom 6:4-5)
The context is about the water baptism the new creature just raised with Christ, and after its death and burial with Christ, have experienced.
Killed with Him-raised with Him.
It's an ongoing work, not an accomplished feat.
Were that the unfortunate truth, nobody would be writing about its completion.
I am writing about the God ordained difference water baptism had on me and those with me.
Our old worldly oriented selves were killed, and made new in Christ.
The adherents of your doctrine will never complete their artificial "ongoing" trek.
It is an accommodation for sin.
Death with Christ isn't available because Christ is no longer dead.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins accomplishes by faith what is impossible for heathens to comprehend.
Death, and life, with Christ is available to all who will turn permanently from sin
You can only act like it if it didn't happen.
Don't "act" like it, participate in it !
I think the rebirth happens when we actually die and are resurrected. Before then we have a down payment, an earnest or promise, of the future event because we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
It will be too late by then
It is written..."And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" (Heb 9:27)
No mention of repentance or rebirth in that scenario.
That Spirit is the spirit we need to enliven our dead bodies when we die, just as God breathed into Adam the breath of life and he became a living soul.
Genesis 2:7 KJV — And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Who then are those raised in the resurrection of damnation? (John 5:29)
If sinners can go their lives continuing to walk after the fleshly oriented mind, why would they ever be granted rebirth, much less eternal life?
What is the "wages of death" written of in Rom 6:23?
Consider this..."Some men's sins are open beforehand
, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after." (1 Tim 5:24)
Our judgement for past sins means death.
That death occurs when we are "immersed" into Christ's death...by water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
The new creature raise from the grave with Christ will never die.
With or without its "shell", the "new man" lives forever.
Kill the old man now, and walk in newness of life.
It is written..."Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of
the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life
." (Rom 6:4)
We can't exhibit a new life, glorifying God, among the needy, after our vessel perishes.
What is this thing we don't have yet, but only have the down payment? Everlasting life:
2 Corinthians 5:4 KJV — For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
What we don't have yet is the glorified body, as Paul discussed in Phil 3:21..."Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
My everlasting life has already started !
You currently only have the promise of everlasting life, because you are still going to die some day, unless the Lord returns.
1 Corinthians 15:53 KJV — For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
As I said above, I am already living my new life, by faith in Christ Jesus.
I do, however, await my new vessel.