The Personal Side of the Homosexual Debate

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Nang

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Wonderful. You bother them with such minor discussion. Why do you follow me around with so much criticism? Do you really need my attention so much?:alien:

Are you such a narcissist that you truly believe I follow you around?

If I agreed with all your posts, you would never think to ask such a question, but would relish my attention.
 

Arthur Brain

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AB,
I never did understand the interest some men have watching two women play sexual. I do not think most women get this? Tell you what, do a qualitative study: ask 100 women, at random, if she would like watching two men act sexual; if you find one of the hundred, I will wear a green hat!

Well, it's certainly more of a 'guy thing' to be sure where it comes to said. I would say it's because the female of the species is far more voluptuous physically than a man, hence the appeal...
 

Quincy

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Arthur, would you believe there are women who find being called voluptuous insulting?

and there's men that don't :chuckle: .


The world today :eek:
 

Arthur Brain

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Part of that is nature, obviously. But nuture plays a role in who you are attracted to as well - on the subconcious level. For example: in our culture women of a lighter build, even up to be anorexic, are generally considered beautiful - while larger women are regarded as less attractive. In other cultures - large women are considered to be more attractive.

Hmm, I think you're stretching it to include the anorexic. Women of a slim build may generally be held to be the more attractive but even in our Western culture there's many who prefer different builds, even if it doesn't go to being considerably overweight overall.

No - this is not an explicit choice, but it demonstrates that things aren't has hardwired as some like to think it is. And if it is a matter of changing the minds view of something - the conscious mind can override the subconscious if it so desires.

Really? Could you choose to fall in love with a piece of plastic? There's at least one poster on here who thinks it's possible for people to 'train' themselves to become romantically attached to inanimate objects. Ludicrous I know but he used a case of a woman marrying a Ferris wheel as a case in point. Did she consciously choose that or is there something outside of her control going on? I'd certainly say she needed help to be frank but how was she consciously making a decision to be so involved? For me you might as well say we can control our dreams here...

Bi-sexuals are obviously making a choice in who they are attracted to. They switch between men and women partners at will - somedays prefering a man, others a woman. I know they do this as I have many bi friends. I also have a gay co-worker who in an earlier life was married to a Christian woman - but their religious views conflicted too much so they divorced (he's Wiccan)

Why? What if they're just actually attracted to both sexes with no actual choice in the matter? Have you asked them whether they choose it or do you just presume?

First off, there is a definite difference between watching something and participating. Secondly, even with pornography you get the gateway effect. Many men have been caught on child-pornography charges because it came up in their search for 'normal' porn - and they clicked on it because they were curious. We don't know how many get interested in men because it isn't illegal - so there are no stats to draw from.

Um, you need to clarify this rather more as there is a HUGE difference between being 'curious' regarding adult sexuality than there is with a child. If an adult is curious about *child pornography* then there's something already disturbing in play at the outset...

Thirdly, what I said wasn't that people view it as pleasurable (all do) - but that they view as it being purely about pleasure.

Which would change an attraction how exactly? I like pizzas - but I couldn't 'choose' to like one with strawberry jam laden over it no matter how much I might 'try'...

Well there are no stats to draw from. For better or worse, no one has conducted such a study to my knowledge. However, I maintain that bi-sexuals and the bi-curious clearly demonstrate the ability to push our sexual boundaries, even against nature.

Or alternatively they may just happen to be attracted to both genders without any conscious choice in the matter?
 

Arthur Brain

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Arthur, would you believe there are women who find being called voluptuous insulting?

and there's men that don't :chuckle: .


The world today :eek:

Well, in fairness I was just trying to point out that the female form is generally regarded as the more aesthetically pleasing of the two genders...:eek:
 

Ktoyou

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Well, it's certainly more of a 'guy thing' to be sure where it comes to said. I would say it's because the female of the species is far more voluptuous physically than a man, hence the appeal...

I think you a perceiving like a heterosexual man. Well where did I get that idea? :rotfl: naturally, sure. Women see men as much an attraction, although women differ more. Part is due to conditioning and part is natural proclivity.
 

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But you are forced. How's the decriminalization of homosexuality and the agenda that goes along with it working out for you Christian business owners?

No, engaging in buggery doesn't make them any less of a person, but being proud and unrepentant about it does.

One would think that a true Christian would stand up for God's Word and not only tell them that if they continue their destructive lifestyle, that they'll most likely die decades before they should, but more importantly if they don't repent, they'll spend eternity in damnation.

I guess money is more important to some...ahem..."Christians" than to others.

Apparently you did not read my long, initial post on this thread. Perhaps you should take a look. Not everyone blasts people with names and degrades them, breaking any opportunity to build a relationship to share Christ with them. Here it is : http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3978620&postcount=67

My clientele are all aware that I am a Christian, and yet the ones who are not, still come to me instead of going to an alternate business which features an unbelieving owner. I have had clients, who are not Christians, call me when they have had bad news to ask me to pray. I have been called into hospital rooms by clients and their family members when they have thought they were going to die. Apparently, trying to be a testimony and a witness for Christ instead of a self righteous pharisee seems to be working for me.

I tried to stand up for God's Word by quoting Scripture to you for your offense, but you didn't take the rebuke. What can a girl do? =)

Here it is again, just incase you want to read it this time.

Luke 18:9-14
9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

I see that you're extremely naïve when it comes to understanding the organized evil that we as Christians and others who stand for decency are faced with in today's world.

Review this 3 part thread and see how others like you have been bitten by those that they thought weren't snakes (florists, bakers, innkeepers, photographers).

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101920

Keep spreading the gospel, but remember that faith without works is dead (righteous laws need to be returned to our society to help the morally confused).

I hope that you'll comment in my thread once I reopen it.
 

Arthur Brain

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I think you a perceiving like a heterosexual man. Well where did I get that idea? :rotfl: naturally, sure. Women see men as much an attraction, although women differ more. Part is due to conditioning and part is natural proclivity.

Well, I think the differing is where the differences lie overall. I've not known many straight women who have any interest in male/male, but where it comes to straight blokes - female/female is as common as it gets...;)
 

Ktoyou

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Are you such a narcissist that you truly believe I follow you around?

If I agreed with all your posts, you would never think to ask such a question, but would relish my attention.

Not really, I think you are a bit wacky.

Goodnight
 

Arthur Brain

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think it can be argued both ways? Women may agree. mainly because many women feel that is an advantage.

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Well, it could certainly be argued sure, but I think the general consensus is that women are the more aesthetically pleasing in form...
 

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which is more aesthetically pleasing?

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csuguy

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Really? Could you choose to fall in love with a piece of plastic? There's at least one poster on here who thinks it's possible for people to 'train' themselves to become romantically attached to inanimate objects. Ludicrous I know but he used a case of a woman marrying a Ferris wheel as a case in point. Did she consciously choose that or is there something outside of her control going on? I'd certainly say she needed help to be frank but how was she consciously making a decision to be so involved? For me you might as well say we can control our dreams here...

Perhaps you can - though I don't think anyone under normal circumstances would choose to do so. Under severe conditions (trapped on an island for an extended period of time for instance) who knows? Men get raped by other men in prison for lack of women.

Why? What if they're just actually attracted to both sexes with no actual choice in the matter? Have you asked them whether they choose it or do you just presume?

I suppose one could suppose there is a "straight" gene and a "homo" gene and these people just happened to get both - but there is no evidence for any such thing. In fact, a "homo" gene, if it did randomly occur, would necessarily become extinct very quickly.

So - for lack of any sensible reason to suppose that it is one's biological makeup that causes bisexuals to be attracted to both sexes - we return to nuture and one's will.

Um, you need to clarify this rather more as there is a HUGE difference between being 'curious' regarding adult sexuality than there is with a child. If an adult is curious about *child pornography* then there's something already disturbing in play at the outset...

There is a big difference in how we treat these subjects socially - however, there is no reason to think that internally anything different is going on. Many pedophiles live very normal lives - you wouldn't know unless you were informed.

Which would change an attraction how exactly? I like pizzas - but I couldn't 'choose' to like one with strawberry jam laden over it no matter how much I might 'try'...

A bad comparison. To adapt your comparison to the present discussion - in one case you are getting handed pizza by an attractive white woman, in the other you get handed pizza by a black man. You are racist (for the sake of the analogy) - and therefore refuse to take pizza from the black man. Of course this analogy is not perfect either - but it is more to the point. Either way you get the pleasure of pizza, only the source is different.

Or alternatively they may just happen to be attracted to both genders without any conscious choice in the matter?

What mechanism do you suppose is at work that could make one by nature - completely independent of choice or influence by nurture - attracted to both sexes? Or even just the same sex for that matter?

Remember - a "gay" gene would never prosper, for evolution is all about pro-creation.
 

Arthur Brain

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Perhaps you can - though I don't think anyone under normal circumstances would choose to do so. Under severe conditions (trapped on an island for an extended period of time for instance) who knows? Men get raped by other men in prison for lack of women.

Um, well no, there's no way I could get attracted to a piece of plastic, plasticine or any form of inanimate object. There's no way I could 'choose' to do so either. If there's extremity of condition attached then that renders conscious choice invalid anyway.

I suppose one could suppose there is a "straight" gene and a "homo" gene and these people just happened to get both - but there is no evidence for any such thing. In fact, a "homo" gene, if it did randomly occur, would necessarily become extinct very quickly.

There's no real evidence (unless you can provide some) that homo or bisexuality isn't actually a part of nature already.

So - for lack of any sensible reason to suppose that it is one's biological makeup that causes bisexuals to be attracted to both sexes - we return to nuture and one's will.

Well, how do you 'will' to enjoy a piece of music, be involved in a film, be attracted to anything? How is any of that and more an actual conscious choice on your part?

There is a big difference in how we treat these subjects socially - however, there is no reason to think that internally anything different is going on. Many pedophiles live very normal lives - you wouldn't know unless you were informed.

What exactly makes you think you're so informed?

A bad comparison. To adapt your comparison to the present discussion - in one case you are getting handed pizza by an attractive white woman, in the other you get handed pizza by a black man. You are racist (for the sake of the analogy) - and therefore refuse to take pizza from the black man. Of course this analogy is not perfect either - but it is more to the point. Either way you get the pleasure of pizza, only the source is different.

Um, it wouldn't matter to me who handed me a pizza with a load of jam on top of it. I'd be sending it back no matter who delivered it as there's no way I could possibly 'choose' to enjoy it. It seems to be you who is missing the point here.

What mechanism do you suppose is at work that could make one by nature - completely independent of choice or influence by nurture - attracted to both sexes? Or even just the same sex for that matter?

Okay, you tell me when you first started choosing to like girls and lets take the argument from there. Or, explain how you can start choosing to like men instead, or wallpaper or Ferris wheels and whatever. It seems to me you want to make this predominantly about 'choice' but yet don't want to admit to actually 'choosing' anything yourself.

Remember - a "gay" gene would never prosper, for evolution is all about pro-creation.

Yet there's evidence of it in nature, and it wouldn't need to be the main drive to stop procreation from happening anyway.
 

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Nothing to add...this pretty much covers it. Even the brainless moron (Red77) (Arthur Brain) admits nobody would "choose such a thing". He says they are born this way, because nobody would choose such a thing.
 

The 5 solas

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I see that you're extremely naïve when it comes to understanding the organized evil that we as Christians and others who stand for decency are faced with in today's world.

I know it is there, not sure how naive that makes me.

Review this 3 part thread and see how others like you have been bitten by those that they thought weren't snakes (florists, bakers, innkeepers, photographers).

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101920

I looked it over. I am so not interested in reading through that. People have lost their jobs and businesses, it is terrible. We have to take a stand as Christians though. We must be willing to lose everything for the sake of Christ.

Keep spreading the gospel, but remember that faith without works is dead (righteous laws need to be returned to our society to help the morally confused).

I have faith and works that flow out as evidence of my faith. Just because my works do not include name calling, attacking others and expecting a godless government to have laws in place which uphold true Biblical morals, does not mean I do not have works.

We are already on our way down the slippery slope and it is just getting worse. I believe that things will continue in this manner until the return of Christ. The only way we will see a change in direction is if there is a revival. I think that God has withdrawn His hand from North America. We see Christianity shrinking in influence and conversions here, but in other parts of the world, it is exploding and overall, it is growing. As North Americans, we are so self centred as to think we are the end all and the be all....we have reaped what we have sown.
 
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