Arthur Brain
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One argument against that would be there being many a heterosexual practice that strays from the 'norm' so to speak. So would you construe that as a mental disorder?
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One argument against that would be there being many a heterosexual practice that strays from the 'norm' so to speak. So would you construe that as a mental disorder?
noguru
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Yes. We all stray from the norm to some degree. But it is the degree that makes it notable to others.
Arthur Brain
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Then where would you draw the line as to what degree is notable?
noguru
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Well I have always been relatively conservative, compared to those around me, in regard to sexual deviation from one on one romantic heterosexual relations, so I would draw the line where I am at obviously. But I think each person need answer that for themselves, as most people who remain in such a deviant state throughout their lives do not seem to have much contentment. This is something I did not notice when I was younger, because I did not have the benefit of experience.
The 5 solas
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For a married Christian couple....would anything they consent to do that is between just the two of them, be acceptable. I mean, who is deciding what is okay and what is not with regards to sexual activity between a consenting christian couple?
Quincy
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He also doesn't believe people change, for whatever queer reason :chuckle: .
Arthur Brain
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Except it wasn't a personal choice of mine to find the opposite sex attractive even as a child - let alone once puberty hit in. It was simply wired. Given that my parents were somewhat straight laced where it came to discussing sex I didn't even know what was going on or why I was sexually aroused by a picture of a beautiful scantily clad woman the first time it happened...
I really don't buy the argument that those who are bi or homosexual make any sort of actual 'choice' in general either. I think that's reaching...
Well, watching any sort of pornography where men are involved as well as women - be it soft or hard could potentially have that same effect if it could lead to a 'crossing the line' of sorts - yet for for the vast majority of straight men it doesn't lead to that at all. I don't think that argument works. Viewing sex as pleasurable doesn't alter ones attraction IMO.
For some that may be the case but I still don't buy that it could be supported in the main, or even that it would be a viable reason for suddenly being able to choose an attraction that simply wasn't there.
Arthur Brain
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Well, there are plenty of heterosexual couples who engage in fairly common sexual practices that may not sit well with the more conservative so I was just trying to get a handle on where you were at.
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I get the feeling that if I were to go into one of the many threads where homosexuality is defended, I would see plenty of you T5s.
But you are forced. How's the decriminalization of homosexuality and the agenda that goes along with it working out for you Christian business owners?
No, engaging in buggery doesn't make them any less of a person, but being proud and unrepentant about it does.
One would think that a true Christian would stand up for God's Word and not only tell them that if they continue their destructive lifestyle, that they'll most likely die decades before they should, but more importantly if they don't repent, they'll spend eternity in damnation.
I guess money is more important to some...ahem..."Christians" than to others.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I get the feeling that if I were to go into one of the many threads where homosexuality is defended, I would see plenty of you T5s.
But you are forced. How's the decriminalization of homosexuality and the agenda that goes along with it working out for you Christian business owners?
No, engaging in buggery doesn't make them any less of a person, but being proud and unrepentant about it does.
One would think that a true Christian would stand up for God's Word and not only tell them that if they continue their destructive lifestyle, that they'll most likely die decades before they should, but more importantly if they don't repent, they'll spend eternity in damnation.
I guess money is more important to some...ahem..."Christians" than to others.
People do change Quincy. You went from swinging both ways (the "B" in the LGBT acronym) to from what I understand, swinging the right way (heterosexuality).
noguru
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Yup, I agree.
The 5 solas
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Apparently you did not read my long, initial post on this thread. Perhaps you should take a look. Not everyone blasts people with names and degrades them, breaking any opportunity to build a relationship to share Christ with them. Here it is : http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3978620&postcount=67
My clientele are all aware that I am a Christian, and yet the ones who are not, still come to me instead of going to an alternate business which features an unbelieving owner. I have had clients, who are not Christians, call me when they have had bad news to ask me to pray. I have been called into hospital rooms by clients and their family members when they have thought they were going to die. Apparently, trying to be a testimony and a witness for Christ instead of a self righteous pharisee seems to be working for me.
I tried to stand up for God's Word by quoting Scripture to you for your offense, but you didn't take the rebuke. What can a girl do? =)
Here it is again, just incase you want to read it this time.
Luke 18:9-14
9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
In my opinion, if someone strays to the same sex then, maybe not 'mental' but wrong thinking, and unnatural. On the other hand, it may not be a mental disorder for a wealthy executive to take away a struggling younger man's wife; however there is a Commandment against adultery.
I think my main contention is, homosexuality is, from my perspective, quite odd and not truly sexual.
csuguy
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Part of that is nature, obviously. But nuture plays a role in who you are attracted to as well - on the subconcious level. For example: in our culture women of a lighter build, even up to be anorexic, are generally considered beautiful - while larger women are regarded as less attractive. In other cultures - large women are considered to be more attractive.
No - this is not an explicit choice, but it demonstrates that things aren't has hardwired as some like to think it is. And if it is a matter of changing the minds view of something - the conscious mind can override the subconscious if it so desires.
Bi-sexuals are obviously making a choice in who they are attracted to. They switch between men and women partners at will - somedays prefering a man, others a woman. I know they do this as I have many bi friends. I also have a gay co-worker who in an earlier life was married to a Christian woman - but their religious views conflicted too much so they divorced (he's Wiccan)
First off, there is a definite difference between watching something and participating. Secondly, even with pornography you get the gateway effect. Many men have been caught on child-pornography charges because it came up in their search for 'normal' porn - and they clicked on it because they were curious. We don't know how many get interested in men because it isn't illegal - so there are no stats to draw from.
Thirdly, what I said wasn't that people view it as pleasurable (all do) - but that they view as it being purely about pleasure.
Well there are no stats to draw from. For better or worse, no one has conducted such a study to my knowledge. However, I maintain that bi-sexuals and the bi-curious clearly demonstrate the ability to push our sexual boundaries, even against nature.
Nang
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Huh?
AB,
I never did understand the interest some men have watching two women play sexual. I do not think most women get this? Tell you what, do a qualitative study: ask 100 women, at random, if she would like watching two men act sexual; if you find one of the hundred, I will wear a green hat!
I never did understand the interest some men have watching two women play sexual. I do not think most women get this? Tell you what, do a qualitative study: ask 100 women, at random, if she would like watching two men act sexual; if you find one of the hundred, I will wear a green hat!
Nang
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Quincy
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Think of the greek sirens mythology.
Wonderful. You bother them with such minor discussion. Why do you follow me around with so much criticism? Do you really need my attention so much?
Your post was quite comprehensive, and you may know, controversial. Now with sensitive little Nang having fits over any attempt to get underneath the subject, imagine who she would take my attempt to respond thoroughly?
Maybe geek sirens mythology?:crackup:
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