ECT The core of the argument between Christians and MAD.

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heir

heir

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Arsenios said:
So do you really think that we find the UNITY of the Spirit in the DUALITY of GOSPELS???
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There is more than one gospel in the Bible! The Lord (while on earth) and the 12 preached the gospel of the kingdom for 3 years yet it did not include the fact that Christ died for our sins. That's two gospels right there!
 
john w

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Arsenios said:
He is exhorting ....
You are not able to show Peter saying anything other than this...
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You cannot prove that Peter teaches anything different from this...
..........You cannot show EVEN ONE PASSAGE where Peter teaches ANY contrary doctrine...

CAN YOU?

So it is time to put up, Heir......

Show us all where Peter preaches AGAINST ANY of these doctrines which you think are Paul's but not Peter's...

Let's all SEE what ya GOT!
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Show us Peter saying anything other than the good news of what Judas preached, while the Lord Jesus Christ was on earth, for 3 or so years.

You cannot prove that Peter teaches anything different from what Judas preached re. this "gospel"/good news...........You cannot show EVEN ONE PASSAGE where Peter teaches ANY contrary doctrine to what Judas preached, or the other 10, while the Lord Jesus Christ was on earth.

CAN YOU?

Let's all SEE what ya GOT re. your saint Judas.So it is time to put up.

So there.
 
Arsenios

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Peter is speaking to members of the House of Israel, and preaching
the "Kingdom Message!" Whereas, Paul is preaching the "Grace
Message" to the gentiles! Therein, lies the difference!
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SHOW US...

Show the passages where Peter preaches one Gospel and Paul preaches a contrary one that denies what Peter preaches...

C'mon, GM... There's gotta be TONS of 'em...

Make us a side by side list, showing how they contradict, line by line...

Don't be afraid to do so...

We won't faint...

Promise!

Arsenios
 
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Arsenios said:
SHOW US...

Show the passages where Peter preaches one Gospel and Paul preaches a contrary one that denies what Peter preaches...

C'mon, GM... There's gotta be TONS of 'em...

Make us a side by side list, showing how they contradict, line by line...

Don't be afraid to do so...

We won't faint...

Promise!

Arsenios
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You need to purchase a Bible! Preferably; King James or The New
King James (My preference) then, sit down and pray to God the
Father that, He will have the Holy Spirit give you knowledge and
wisdom for what you're about to read? Start with Romans through
Philemon. (The writings of the Apostle Paul) It is "Paul's Gospel
that will teach you about the Grace Message and the "Dispensation
of Grace!" Anything I say to you, won't be received by you because,
you've been indoctrinated by your "Eastern Orthodox religion" and
that's all you know! Purchase the Bible, and go from there!!
 
Arsenios

Arsenios

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Mocking You said:
Be gentle with me, I'm trying to learn MAD. Here is Peter's gospel, from Acts 2:

23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it.

And here is Paul's gospel, from I Cor. 15:

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.

So, what is the difference?
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GREAT QUESTION!

Holy Water, as it were...

A soothing balm to the Christian soul...

Watch the shrieking of the demons as they come after you..

Watch now...

Oh, wait...

I just saw in your post where you asked them to "be gentle with me"... And they will, for a bit, until they think you disagree with them... Then will come their petty little flesh-cutting knives...

Nasty little thangs here...

Arsenios
 
john w

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Arsenios said:
SHOW US...

Show the passages where Peter preaches one Gospel and Paul preaches a contrary one that denies what Peter preaches...

C'mon, GM... There's gotta be TONS of 'em...

Make us a side by side list, showing how they contradict, line by line...

Don't be afraid to do so...

We won't faint...

Promise!

Arsenios
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Show us where your saint Judas did not preach:

"Hey, everyone!!!! Good news!!! The master is going to die for our sins...be buried...rise again the third day!!!! Believe this good news to be saved/justified!! Well, I gotta go, as my stock broker told me to buy a little silver, as the charts suggest a bull market in silver................"
 
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Arsenios said:
GREAT QUESTION!

Holy Water, as it were...

A soothing balm to the Christian soul...

Watch the shrieking of the demons as they come after you..

Watch now...

Oh, wait...

I just saw in your post where you asked them to "be gentle with me"... And they will, for a bit, until they think you disagree with them... Then will come their petty little flesh-cutting knives...

Nasty little thangs here...

Arsenios
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See what I mean?
 
john w

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chrysostom said:
your people only know
calling others names
and
neg repping
and
now you are one of them
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Yes, we call names, marking/exposing/identifying the wolves/wolf-ette's/perverters of the gospel of Christ. That is biblical. Why don't you? We know-because you are one of the wolves/wolf-ette's/perverters of the gospel of Christ.

Peekaboo......we see you...
 
Arsenios

Arsenios

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heir said:
Here are some things that are different:
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"Different won't cut it - You must show contradiction..."

At Pentecost (a Jewish holy day) Peter preached:

Acts 2:38 KJV Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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So now you must show where Paul DENIES that one must be baptized for remission of sins and then receive the Holy Spirit...

But HERE is what you post:

Paul preached:

1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
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Paul writes that we are baptized INTO Christ's death for remission of sins, just as Peter writes and speaks...

Peter preached that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead to sit on David’s throne:

Acts 2:30 KJV Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
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So now you must show that Christ is NOT sitting on the Throne according to Paul, but instead you write:

Paul preached that Jesus Christ was delivered for our offences and raised again for our justification:
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He arose again to sit at the Right Hand of the Father... THAT is the Throne of Christ... Paul and Peter agree...

Romans 4:25 KJV Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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So you now must show Peter denying that Christ was raised for our justification... But instead you write:

Peter preached the blotting out of sins at the second coming of the Lord

Acts 3:19-20 KJV Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
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The "times of refreshing" are not the second coming - That comes later in the passage... And this does not in any way contradict Paul... The "converted" means Baptism into Christ...

Paul writes that we have NOW received the atonement:

Romans 5:11 KJV And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
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That atonement is attained through repentance and Baptism into Christ... Peter agrees... But then for your "proof" you post:

Peter said it was spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began:

Acts 3:21 KJV Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
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This is speaking of the second coming, not Baptism...

Paul says it was a secret since the world began

Romans 16:25 KJV Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
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Yes, the Incarnation of God the Lord... Peter agrees...

Peter said to Cornelius:

Acts 10:35 KJV But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
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Paul could not agree more...

Paul writes:

Titus 3:5 KJV Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Here Paul is speaking of Baptism and the Anointing of converts...

Peter agrees...

You have not shown so much as even ONE passage where Peter and Paul contradict each other on the SAME ISSUE in their Gospel messages...

Arsenios
 
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