ECT The core of the argument between Christians and MAD.

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heir

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Arsenios said:
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Act 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Are you denying that Peter was preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ here?

Arsenios
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Peter did not preach the gospel of Christ. Peter did not preach that Christ died for our sins! It's not there, but is a very important element of the gospel of Christ, the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth!
 
john w

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Arsenios said:
Your fangs are showing again, John...

Pull that sheepskin over you quick!

Will you give me your blessing...

God's blessings to you, my benefactor...

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Blessings, Maharishi...

500



Party on, bongster....
 
john w

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Arsenios said:
Mat_15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth
come forth from the heart;
and they defile the man.

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Matthew 16:20 KJV

Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Fun! See Spot, run, Maharishi!!! Run, Spot!
 
heir

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andyc said:
Yeah, Paul is their God.
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O man, that's a lie!


We are not ashamed of the testimony of our Lord nor of His prisoner Paul!

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Why are you?
 
musterion

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I wonder if Andy is really just your garden variety charismatic.

He says many things here that, despite their general dislike of dispensationalism, would get him shunned from mainline pentecostal churches as way over the line, most seriously the blatant lies he's taken to spreading lately.

Is he maybe one of those church-less, halfwit fringe tongues-talking lunatics incapable of maintaining church fellowship?
 
heir

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andyc said:
Before you go........... on behalf of the Mid Acts Dispensationalists, I'd like to present you with a copy of their bible.
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All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable...(2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV). It means what it says, as it says it and to whom it says it. It's all written FOR our learning (Romans 15:4 KJV), but it's not ALL written TO us or ABOUT us. Is that what's bothering you? It's not all about you?
 
andyc

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heir said:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable...(2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV). It means what it says, as it says it and to whom it says it. It's all written FOR our learning (Romans 15:4 KJV), but it's not ALL written TO us or ABOUT us. Is that what's bothering you? It's not all about you?
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You say this, but you only accept some of the books of Paul as speaking to you directly. That's what bothers everyone.
 
musterion

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If Andy eats bacon and has ever worn wool/cotton blend, then he's a dispensationalist.

If he says that salvation is by grace through faith alone in Christ without works to be or to stay saved, then he's a mid-Acts dispensationalist.

Not that he or anyone else will ever realize it, much less admit it if they did.
 
Arsenios

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musterion said:
Paul said their office made no difference to him, and that they added NOTHING to him (Gal 2:6).

You skipped clean over that like it wasn't even there. Deliberately.

You are dismissed.
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That was why he passed their test, for they added nothing, and their status meant nothing... Men cannot add to the Grace of God... And a called and proven Apostle like Paul simply here showed himself to be their equal in Grace, and when this was established, they gave him what he did not yet have, which is the "Right Hand of Communion"...

He was NOT the first Apostle to have Grace - They had it LONG before he did... The WHOLE of the Gospel of the 12 is Grace...

So now I have answered your false accusation...

Will you now engage the post I made?

Arsenios
 
andyc

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musterion said:
If Andy eats bacon and has ever worn wool/cotton blend, then he's a dispensationalist.

If he says that salvation is by grace through faith alone in Christ without works to be or to stay saved, then he's a mid-Acts dispensationalist.

Not that he or anyone else will ever realize it, much less admit it if they did.
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Nah

Jesus and Peter declared bacon edible long before Paul.

Mark 7:19-20
Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, "because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?"

Acts 10:10-16
Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." 1And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times.

You should take a break from Paul, and read other books of the bible now and again.
 
musterion

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Arsenios said:
That was why he passed their test
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First, your thesis is still demolished. You failed.

Second, you fail again. He went up by revelation and there was no "test" for him to pass. These were Spirit-filled apostles Paul was to meet with: men who knew the secret hearts of vain liars (Acts 5) and a bitter sorcerer (Acts 8). There was no NEED for a test, fool. The Spirit attested to them of Paul's apostleship.

You add to and twist the Scripture to your own peril. That you do so cavalierly and with such aplomb indicates you don't actually believe it. But then, it's your church that's going to save you, and your allegiance to it, so what do you really need the Bible for.
 
musterion

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andyc said:
Nah

Jesus and Peter declared bacon edible long before Paul.

Mark 7:19-20
Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, "because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?"

Acts 10:10-16
Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have NEVER eaten anything common or unclean." 1And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times.

You should take a break from Paul, and read other books of the bible now and again.
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Acts 10:14 proves you an idiot and a fraud.
 
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