ECT The core of the argument between Christians and MAD.

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Arsenios

Arsenios

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Simon Baker said:
Great !
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I was thinking you might think so...

Then All The Apostles Were MADists
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THAT inference plus $5 will get you NO change back for your coffee at Starbucks... But let's look at your reasons...

Because They Finally Heard Paul's Timeless Gospel (Good News) His Revelation Dispensed FROM CHRIST JESUS.
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There is something you seem to have overlooked... It is grossly obvious, but easy to miss in the rush of proofs, and IF you take its implications seriously to heart, you will change your mind about your false inference. Here is the FACT you are ignoring:

The 12 did NOT come to Paul...
Nor did Iakovos, John, or Peter come to Paul...
PAUL CAME TO JERUSALEM, remember?

And the question is: "WHY did Paul come to Jerusalem?"

Did Paul come to Jerusalem to INSTRUCT the 12?
Did Paul come to Jerusalem to CORRECT the 12?
Did Paul come to Jerusalem to SHARE his NEW GOSPEL with them?

The ANSWER, of course, is: NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Paul himself TELLS YOU why he came to Jerusalem... He explains it in Galatians 2:2

And I went up by revelation,
and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,
but
privately to them which were of reputation,
lest by any means I should run,
or had run,
in vain.

So God told him to go to Jerusalem...
WHY did God tell him to go to Jerusalem?
To communicate to 'them' the Gospel he was preaching to the Gentiles...
To WHOM did he so communicate this Gospel?
To ALL the Saints in Jerusalem?
To the congregations of the Jews?
To the Leaders of the Jewish Temple?
None of these... But ONLY to those of reputation...
And WHERE???
PRIVATELY...
So WHY would God send Paul to Jerusalem for a PRIVATE meeting with only 2 or 3 of the most reputable of the Christians being persecuted there?
Paul then tells us why:

lest by any means I should run,
or had run,
in vain.

"Lest I HAD run in vain..."
"Lest I SHOULD run in vain..."
"BY ANY MEANS..."

God sent Paul to Jerusalem to be corrected by the leaders of the founding Fathers of the Church at Jerusalem...
He went for THEIR APPROVAL...
By COMMAND OF GOD...

He went SEEKING THEIR APPROVAL...

AND THEY BLESSED HIM...

And WHY did they bless him and his ministry?

Gal 2:9

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
perceived the Grace that was given unto me,
they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of Communion;
that we should go unto the heathen,
and they unto the circumcision.

You see, they GAVE TO PAUL the RIGHT HANDS of Communion...
THAT is what Paul came to receive FROM them...
That is what God SENT PAUL to receive FROM THEM...
He gave them nothing but his work in their behalf...
And they blessed him to be the Apostle to the Gentiles...


It Is Good To Remember What Paul Tells Us FROM GOD.
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What Paul tells us from God is Christ Crucified, and us in Him...
He preaches the Gospel of Suffering FOR Christ IN Christ...
He preaches the Gospel of Grace as do ALL the Apostles...

James, Kephas AND John PERCEIVED THE GRACE that was IN Paul... And they THEN gave him THEIR blessing for HIS apostleship to the Gentiles...

PAUL NEEDED THEIR BLESSING...
PAUL NEEDED THEIR COMMUNION...
PAUL NEEDED THEIR RIGHT HANDS (to be laid on him)...

PAUL CAME IN NEED TO JERUSALEM...
PAUL CAME IN NEED TO DAMASCUS...

Enough!

Arsenios
 
Arsenios

Arsenios

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john w said:
Wise words, from the Oprah junkie, Maharishi.

Weighty, old man.
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Your fangs are showing again, John...

Pull that sheepskin over you quick!

Will you give me your blessing...

God's blessings to you, my benefactor...

Arsenios
 
musterion

musterion

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Arsenios said:
I was thinking you might think so...



THAT inference plus $5 will get you NO change back for your coffee at Starbucks... But let's look at your reasons...



There is something you seem to have overlooked... It is grossly obvious, but easy to miss in the rush of proofs, and IF you take its implications seriously to heart, you will change your mind about your false inference. Here is the FACT you are ignoring:

The 12 did NOT come to Paul...
Nor did Iakovos, John, or Peter come to Paul...
PAUL CAME TO JERUSALEM, remember?

And the question is: "WHY did Paul come to Jerusalem?"

Did Paul come to Jerusalem to INSTRUCT the 12?
Did Paul come to Jerusalem to CORRECT the 12?
Did Paul come to Jerusalem to SHARE his NEW GOSPEL with them?

The ANSWER, of course, is: NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Paul himself TELLS YOU why he came to Jerusalem... He explains it in Galatians 2:2

And I went up by revelation,
and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,
but
privately to them which were of reputation,
lest by any means I should run,
or had run,
in vain.

So God told him to go to Jerusalem...
WHY did God tell him to go to Jerusalem?
To communicate to 'them' the Gospel he was preaching to the Gentiles...
To WHOM did he so communicate this Gospel?
To ALL the Saints in Jerusalem?
To the congregations of the Jews?
To the Leaders of the Jewish Temple?
None of these... But ONLY to those of reputation...
And WHERE???
PRIVATELY...
So WHY would God send Paul to Jerusalem for a PRIVATE meeting with only 2 or 3 of the most reputable of the Christians being persecuted there?
Paul then tells us why:

lest by any means I should run,
or had run,
in vain.

"Lest I HAD run in vain..."
"Lest I SHOULD run in vain..."
"BY ANY MEANS..."

God sent Paul to Jerusalem to be corrected by the leaders of the founding Fathers of the Church at Jerusalem...
He went for THEIR APPROVAL...
By COMMAND OF GOD...

He went SEEKING THEIR APPROVAL...

AND THEY BLESSED HIM...

And WHY did they bless him and his ministry?

Gal 2:9

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
perceived the Grace that was given unto me,
they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of Communion;
that we should go unto the heathen,
and they unto the circumcision.

You see, they GAVE TO PAUL the RIGHT HANDS of Communion...
THAT is what Paul came to receive FROM them...
That is what God SENT PAUL to receive FROM THEM...
He gave them nothing but his work in their behalf...
And they blessed him to be the Apostle to the Gentiles...




What Paul tells us from God is Christ Crucified, and us in Him...
He preaches the Gospel of Suffering FOR Christ IN Christ...
He preaches the Gospel of Grace as do ALL the Apostles...

James, Kephas AND John PERCEIVED THE GRACE that was IN Paul... And they THEN gave him THEIR blessing for HIS apostleship to the Gentiles...

PAUL NEEDED THEIR BLESSING...
PAUL NEEDED THEIR COMMUNION...
PAUL NEEDED THEIR RIGHT HANDS (to be laid on him)...

PAUL CAME IN NEED TO JERUSALEM...
PAUL CAME IN NEED TO DAMASCUS...

Enough!

Arsenios
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Paul said their office made no difference to him, and that they added NOTHING to him (Gal 2:6).

You skipped clean over that like it wasn't even there. Deliberately.

You are dismissed.
 
musterion

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Your big yellow post was just destroyed by me simply quoting what you knew refuted it.

You are deliberately false.
 
Arsenios

Arsenios

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heir said:
made up
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See the longer post I did explaining this... (#426)

Paul went to them in need of their "Right Hands of Communion"...

And he RECEIVED it from them...

That is why God sent him there "by revelation"...

And yes, there were other issues that had needs...

Arsenios
 
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Arsenios said:
See the longer post I did explaining this...

Paul went to them in need of their "Right Hands of Communion"...

And he RECEIVED it from them...

That is why God sent him there "by revelation"...

And yes, there were other issues that had needs...

Arsenios
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IN NEED? Really? That's what you think?

You are delusional.
 
Arsenios

Arsenios

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heir said:
You cannot show where Peter preached the gospel of Christ to Corne. Give it a go from the text in Acts 10. It's not there.
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Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Act 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Are you denying that Peter was preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ here?

Arsenios
 
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Arsenios said:
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Act 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Are you denying that Peter was preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ here?

Arsenios
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How, when, why, and where did you realize that you were a
member of the "Body of Christ?" Could you give us a
"personal testimony" about, how you know that eternal
life is yours?
 
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It's easy to cut and paste Verses of Scripture! However, one must
be ready to give a testimony of how they KNOW God is their Father
in Heaven? How else will others know how to become a "True
Believer" unless they hear the "Grace Message?" When did you
hear the Message and respond to it?
 
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