Jesus already had the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son working in tandem. They are the Holy Spirit.
Only Y-H-W-H is God, besides Him there is no god!
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Jesus already had the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son working in tandem. They are the Holy Spirit.
He was annointed by the Spirit to begin His ministry. Same scripture as above.
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"Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed."
Did the Christian messiah have dominion, glory, and a kingdom?
Did all the peoples, nations, and languages serve him?
No.
So this is yet another messianic prophecy NOT fulfilled by the Christian messiah.
Weird that people want to bring messianic prophecies which he didn't fulfil in order to "prove" that he was the messiah.
The messiah has to fulfil the messianic prophecies.
When somebody claims to be the messiah, and he fails in fulfilling the messianic prophecies, then we know he is not the messiah.
That's as simple as 1 + 1 = 2. Everybody can understand that.
Oh, wait....
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Sigh...
No, three is not one, and one is not three.
One is one, and three is three
One is not three, and three is not one.
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,
who put darkness for light and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."
Isaiah 5:20
WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL THREE ONE AND ONE THREE!!
"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
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God the Almighty can do anything He wants, and He came as a Man.
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They are exactly the same.
Jn.3:27. John(the Baptist) answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. 28Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30He must increase, but I must decrease.
Jesus Christ is the Bridegroom when he was living on earth, the Holy Spirit is the Bride.(*not married-Separate)
Rev.21:1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Is.59:21. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
Jesus died.
32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Rev.21:9. And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
21:17. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Eph.5:30. For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
Acts2:36. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Lord Jesus Christ.....One and the Same.
Peace.
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Who is the God of Israel? The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
Christianity is very confused about this. A confusion also caused by bad Bible translations. In almost all translations the four lettered name of God, Y-H-W-H, which appears in the Hebrew Bible almost 7000 times, is not mentioned, but replaced by "the LORD".
But here are some Biblical texts which point out WHO is the God of Israel. In these verses the letters of the name of God are written, like in the original Hebrew.
Exodus 29:46 “They will know that I am Y-H-W-H their God, who brought them out of Egypt so that I might dwell among them. I am Y-H-W-H their God.”
Numbers 15:41 “I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of Egypt to be your God. I am Y-H-W-H your God.”
Deuteronomy 10:20-21 “Fear Y-H-W-H your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take your oaths in his name. He is your praise; he is your God, who performed for you those great and awesome wonders you saw with your own eyes.”
Joshua 24:18 “We too will serve Y-H-W-H , because he is our God.”
II Samuel 22:32 “For who is God besides Y-H-W-H ?”
I Chronicles 16:14 “He is Y-H-W-H our God; his judgments are in all the earth”
II Chronicles 13:10 “As for us, Y-H-W-H is our God, and we have not forsaken him”
Psalm 31:14 “But I trust in you, O Y-H-W-H; I say, "You are my God.”
Psalm 89:6 “For who in the skies above can compare with Y-H-W-H? Who is like Y-H-W-H among the heavenly beings?”
Psalm 91:2 “I will say of Y-H-W-H , "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.”
Psalm 100:3 “Know that Y-H-W-H is God. It is he who made us.”
Psalm 105:7 “He is Y-H-W-H our God; his judgments are in all the earth;”
Psalm 118:27 “Y-H-W-H is God, and he has made his light shine upon us.”
Psalm 140:6 “O Y-H-W-H, I say to you, "You are my God”
Isaiah 25:1 “O Y-H-W-H, you are my God.”
Isaiah 41:13 “For I am Y-H-W-H , your God;”
Isaiah 43:3 “For I am Y-H-W-H , your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;”
Isaiah 51:15 “For I am Y-H-W-H your God, who churns up the sea so that its waves roar- Y-H-W-H Almighty is his name”
Jeremiah 3:22-23 “Yes, we will come to you, for you are Y-H-W-H our God”
Jeremiah 10:10 “But Y-H-W-H is the true God; he is the living God, the eternal King.;”
Jeremiah 31:18 “Restore me, and I will return, because you are Y-H-W-H my God.”
Habakkuk 1:12 “O Y-H-W-H, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, we will not die.”
And is there, except for this God Y-H-W-H, any other god?
Deuteronomy 4:35 “You were shown these things so that you might know that Y-H-W-H is God; besides him there is no other.”
Deuteronomy 4:39 “Acknowledge and take to heart this day that Y-H-W-H is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.”
II Samuel 7:22 “How great you are, O Sovereign Y-H-W-H! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.”
I Kings 8:60 “so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Y-H-W-H is God and that there is no other.”
I Chronicles 17:20 “There is no one like you, O Y-H-W-H, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.”
II Chronicles 6:14 “O Y-H-W-H, God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven or on earth.”
Nehemiah 9:6 “You alone are Y-H-W-H.”
Isaiah 45:21-23 “You are my witnesses," declares Y-H-W-H, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."
Isaiah 44:6 “This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer, Y-H-W-H Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.”
Isaiah 45:5-6 “I am Y-H-W-H , and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me."
Isaiah 45:21-23 “Declare what is to be, present it- let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, Y-H-W-H? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.”
Joel 2:27 “Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am Y-H-W-H your God, and that there is no other;”
Exodus 20:1-3 “And God spoke all these words: "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.”
Who is the God of Israel? The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
Christianity is very confused about this. A confusion also caused by bad Bible translations. In almost all translations the four lettered name of God, Y-H-W-H, which appears in the Hebrew Bible almost 7000 times, is not mentioned, but replaced by "the LORD".
But here are some Biblical texts which point out WHO is the God of Israel. In these verses the letters of the name of God are written, like in the original Hebrew.
Exodus 29:46 “They will know that I am Y-H-W-H their God, who brought them out of Egypt so that I might dwell among them. I am Y-H-W-H their God.”
Numbers 15:41 “I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of Egypt to be your God. I am Y-H-W-H your God.”
Deuteronomy 10:20-21 “Fear Y-H-W-H your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take your oaths in his name. He is your praise; he is your God, who performed for you those great and awesome wonders you saw with your own eyes.”
Joshua 24:18 “We too will serve Y-H-W-H , because he is our God.”
II Samuel 22:32 “For who is God besides Y-H-W-H ?”
I Chronicles 16:14 “He is Y-H-W-H our God; his judgments are in all the earth”
II Chronicles 13:10 “As for us, Y-H-W-H is our God, and we have not forsaken him”
Psalm 31:14 “But I trust in you, O Y-H-W-H; I say, "You are my God.”
Psalm 89:6 “For who in the skies above can compare with Y-H-W-H? Who is like Y-H-W-H among the heavenly beings?”
Psalm 91:2 “I will say of Y-H-W-H , "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.”
Psalm 100:3 “Know that Y-H-W-H is God. It is he who made us.”
Psalm 105:7 “He is Y-H-W-H our God; his judgments are in all the earth;”
Psalm 118:27 “Y-H-W-H is God, and he has made his light shine upon us.”
Psalm 140:6 “O Y-H-W-H, I say to you, "You are my God”
Isaiah 25:1 “O Y-H-W-H, you are my God.”
Isaiah 41:13 “For I am Y-H-W-H , your God;”
Isaiah 43:3 “For I am Y-H-W-H , your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;”
Isaiah 51:15 “For I am Y-H-W-H your God, who churns up the sea so that its waves roar- Y-H-W-H Almighty is his name”
Jeremiah 3:22-23 “Yes, we will come to you, for you are Y-H-W-H our God”
Jeremiah 10:10 “But Y-H-W-H is the true God; he is the living God, the eternal King.;”
Jeremiah 31:18 “Restore me, and I will return, because you are Y-H-W-H my God.”
Habakkuk 1:12 “O Y-H-W-H, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, we will not die.”
And is there, except for this God Y-H-W-H, any other god?
Deuteronomy 4:35 “You were shown these things so that you might know that Y-H-W-H is God; besides him there is no other.”
Deuteronomy 4:39 “Acknowledge and take to heart this day that Y-H-W-H is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.”
II Samuel 7:22 “How great you are, O Sovereign Y-H-W-H! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.”
I Kings 8:60 “so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Y-H-W-H is God and that there is no other.”
I Chronicles 17:20 “There is no one like you, O Y-H-W-H, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.”
II Chronicles 6:14 “O Y-H-W-H, God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven or on earth.”
Nehemiah 9:6 “You alone are Y-H-W-H.”
Isaiah 45:21-23 “You are my witnesses," declares Y-H-W-H, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."
Isaiah 44:6 “This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer, Y-H-W-H Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.”
Isaiah 45:5-6 “I am Y-H-W-H , and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me."
Isaiah 45:21-23 “Declare what is to be, present it- let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, Y-H-W-H? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.”
Joel 2:27 “Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am Y-H-W-H your God, and that there is no other;”
Exodus 20:1-3 “And God spoke all these words: "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.”
Ok, so you are saying the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God? (Romans 8:11)
You are wrong. The following scripture shows that the Father, the Son and the Spirit are separate and different;
John 14:26New American Standard Bible (NASB)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
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The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit only says what the Father and Jesus says. So how are they different?
One is the Father, one is the Son and one is the Holy Spirit = distinct/different
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God the Father is Spirit, He is invisible, and lives in unapproachable light. The Son is the Father with a body, and came to earth with a flesh body as a Man, and then returned to heaven and received his glorified body. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God that goes forth without limit, it is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of the Son.
Everything that the Father says, the Son says, and the Holy Spirit says. Everything that the Father does, the Son does. When you see the Son, you can say you see the Father.
Same being/essence, different persons.
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Christians love and agree with each verse you quoted.
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What is the essence? If that is not a man made answer, then you will be able to show me from the scriptures that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are essence?
'essence' means what something is as opposed to what it is not, what something is intrinsically.
GOD is in essence, 'being' pure and simple.
Yep!
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In that case please explain why they don't worship Y-H-W-H, but worship a carpenter of 2000 years ago.
"And God spoke all these words, saying, "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME."
Ex 20:1+2