Jesus CANNOT be Jehovah/YHVH God

[clefty]

There are no more scribes and Pharisees, and there is no more temple building.
The temple was destroyed and no one can or is supposed to obey the old law anymore.

the scribes and pharisees were made to administer the immutable eternal Law...the temple was made to house It in...

We are the new ministers of that same IMMUTABLE ETERNAL LAW...our bodies are the temples in which it is now housed...written in our now circumcised hearts and minds...

You conflate moral law with ceremonial law...confuse literal with spiritual...replace obedience and lawfulness with liberty and lawlessness...

Why do you keep saying ‘goyim’? It’s like the only Jewish word you use.

because you are doing the same thing they are...seperating His people...replacing the wall He abolished...

They use goyim to designate between Jew and NOT JEW and they claim Yahushua changed the customs Moses delivered...SO DO YOU...on both counts...

What’s the matter you don’t like being seperated? Then stop seperating yourself and LIVE AS HE DID...according to His customs and even as Paul did...NO DISTINCTION between jew and goyim Peter preached multiple times

The Jews had to obey the law or they would be cut off from God.
As for Moses, he had to circumcise his son or what would happen?
Why did you avoid that question?

the jews were saved BEFORE they even received the Law...keeping the Law did not MAKE THEM CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM...they already were...

And if they were cut off for disobeying it was because ALREADY INSIDE THEY WERE UNCLEAN UNCIRCUMCISED...

Jesus came and gave a new testament, a new covenant.

SAME LAWS...but NEW administration...

Because of Sabbath you reject all the others? LOL

The 10 remain as Matt 23:3 confirms this...

you really think the 10 commandments were not included in His life and teaching when He said keep my commandments...do my Father’s will...Love as I loved you...

He signed and sealed the new covenant having taught and demonstrated Sabbath keeping...the first day in that new covenant age was a SABBATH just like the first full day in the EDENIC one...neat eh?

Is why James the brother of Yahushua concluded the council they convened in jerusalem (as too many goyim were crowding the synagogues on the sabbath and rules of fellowship were necessary) with the expectation that Moses would continue to be heard preached and read in all cities EVERY SABATH...

4 things were required...all 4 were already from the ONE LAW for native and goyim in the OT...3 of which where levitical kosher laws...imagine that this AFTER Peter had the vision...

So well NO DISTINCTION...or do you expect only these 4 things were required of the goyim...the other 9 Laws were not expected as they were abolished right? LOL

Yup James expected goyim to keep crowding into synagogues on Sabbaths to hear more about Moses and the One resurrected and why He was killed why He was raised...etc

THESE GOYIM WANTED TO OBEY...begged Paul to return the next Sabbath to preach more...not come back the next day...the next Sabbath almost the whole goyim city showed up...

The gates were closed on the Sabbath and the Jews would have a hard time fleeing.

the walls went around Judea did they? “...let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains...” but NOT on the Sabbath as fleeing aint resting...you know keeping the Sabbath..

Nehemiah 13: 19 And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day.

that sabbath gate closing thingy is SOOOO OT...dontcha know they would have stopped doing that at 70AD LOL

Yahushua fully expected winter times and Sabbath times to continue...long after His DBR and ascension...

That is just beyond ignorant. Jesus reconciles us to God and he had to come and die for us.
Jesus gave us new guidelines to obey.

reconcile us to a LAWLESS GOD? LOL try not keeping one of His lawsin the kingdom you are to reign...

SEE? Long before you even enter His undivided house...your unclean uncircumcised heart will bare witness with different your rebellious fruit...bitter and opposite what the tree its trunk and root produce...

The law was not based on faith that is what God says.

do this and live...and now forever by faith with works...grace received the world overcome by Him in us...

[quoteThe people had to clean themselves by doing the purification/ceremonial works of the law. Now we do not clean ourselves because Jesus does it, just by our faith that he does, after we repent of our sins and call on him.[/quote] receive the Holy Spirit because we obey...just like they did...Spirit cleanses us it is so true to live MORE LIKE HE DID...less like the world and our former selves...

The bitter root is about people saying we have to do the old law.

happily I am not saying that at all...but saved His WANT TO...want to hear Moses preached as He did and DID what He preached and asked we do the same to follow Him...

Your bitterness is when you put a day up there with Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath Rest, and a day is just a day.

your rebellious uncircumcised unclean heart is noted...

He is NOT a period of time...He is the Lord of the Sabbath...which you reject...the very thing that authorizes Him as Lord...

You rather follow jewish false witness...that He changed the Law...His Father’s IMMUTABLE ETERNAL LAW

Rather make Him and others LIARS when it remains “Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF Yahushua”...all of them...and have the same faith as He practiced...same faith walk He walked...

 

[clefty]

All humans have their own spirit. Jesus’ spirit happens to be the Spirit of God.

yes a spirit that returns to Him upon death...His spirit changes us to be more like Him...given to us when we obey...given even more when we obey further...and so it goes until the end...the Last Day

We have commands from Jesus, and he does not tell us we have to do the old rules for the Sabbath. Do you really do the old rules for the Sabbath? Have you lifted anything on a Sabbath?
Jesus’ new rule concerning the Sabbath is for us not to do wrong but to do good.

you make void the commandments of Yah with the traditions of man...you your idolatrous EVE (who also added to His word and deceived herself by it) is showing...

Sabbath was given many additional laws by man which He rejected to clarify His Father’s Will

A NO WORK rule was in place for the old rules for the Sabbath day. Faith and NO WORKS save us; Jesus says it is UNLAWFUL to do evil on the NO WORK day of the Sabbath, and Jesus said it was LAWFUL to do good on the NO WORK day of the Sabbath, see Luke 6:9.

Yes see? Sabbath remains just not the additional traditions.

SEVEN TIMES Yahushua healed people that could easily have waited until the next day...

SEVEN TIMES Yahushua healed to provoke and trigger Pharisees about their own traditions...

Seven times Yahushua wished to remind that Sabbath HEALS...as He Himself rose on the Sabbath day healed rested and refreshed...that first full day of the new covenant age...

 

[clefty]

You are playing games with what I said.
It is a temple made by hands that doesn't matter anymore.

You started it...and losing you lash out with a red card rep point...lol

It is a temple made by hands that NEVER MATTERED TO Him...He wanted we learn MERCY RATHER THAN SACRIFICE...we wanted a glorious building...

He rather His people house HIS ETERNAL IMMUTABLE LAW written on our circumcised hearts and minds...

He never wanted the physical temple...David did

Cyrus built the second temple which NEVER HAD HIS SPIRIT...until It showed up in the infant body of Yahushua in according to the LAW

That temple was destroyed again as it was an IDOL...jews wanted IT and rejected Him

Of course the temple no longer matters...He never wanted it...humans do...

unbelievers still want one and plan to build a THIRD one...an abomination of desolation...this of course will trigger the END...some will be raptured....2/3 jews will be killed...a christ will rule in a new world order...yada yada yada

Its not the house but the His LAWFUL Spirit...not the building but the Law is housed...

And here you are claiming the Law He taught and lived doesnt matter...is abolished...

What lawless games you and yours play...

 

[SabathMoon]

We are not discussing the Tetragrammaton, however, here is the lexical definition...

יְהוָה = “Yahweh”

“Yahweh” definition:

H3068 Singular noun. The Tetragrammaton YHWH, the Lord, or Yahweh, the personal name of God and His most frequent designation in scripture, occurring 5321x. The word refers to the proper name of the God of Israel, particularly the name by which He revealed Himself to Moses (Ex: 6.2-3). It comes from the root “hawa” H1961, which means either existence, or development; “to be”. “The existing one”.

H1961 “hawa” A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

H1933 “havah” A primitive root supposed to mean properly to breathe; to be (in the sense of existence): - be, X have.


References:
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Gerhard Kittel, Gerhard Friedrich, & Geoffrey W. Bromiley, volume three, pp. 1067 - 1081
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT) #484a, Harris, Archer, Waltke, volume 1, pp. 210 – 212
The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary of the Old Testament, Warren Baker, Eugene Carpenter, p. 426

I see these roots are mistaken as intransitive nouns. Why is the direct object marker never or rarely used with them?

 

[MennoSota]

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

One being...three person's...

 

[Dartman]

And Jesus is that Being.

Impossible.

 

[Dartman]

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Ps 45:1-11
My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.
4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.
9 Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
10 Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house;
11 So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him.


This is a prophecy concerning the KINGS of Israel, which CLEARLY includes Jesus.... even though the remarks about women don't apply to Jesus, but are more specific.
And, in this text, you skipped
...therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


.... I wonder why you would skip that .......

 

[MennoSota]

Ps 45:1-11
My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.
4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.
9 Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
10 Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house;
11 So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him.


This is a prophecy concerning the KINGS of Israel, which CLEARLY includes Jesus.... even though the remarks about women don't apply to Jesus, but are more specific.
And, in this text, you skipped
...therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


.... I wonder why you would skip that .......

Why do you ignore Hebrews...
Hebrews 1:8

But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

One being...three person's...

 

[Dartman]

Why do you ignore Hebrews...
Hebrews 1:8

Why would you state an untruth like this?
I directly addressed Heb 1:8 AND 9

Why do you ignore Heb 1:9???

 

[oatmeal]

The Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of God. Jesus is the Spirit. There are three and the three are one and the same.





The Old Testament is full of prophecies about what was coming, about who was coming.

The Holy Spirit is simply another name for God who is both holy and spirit

Another name of scores of names that God uses torefer to himself.

You know how

The Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of God. Jesus is the Spirit. There are three and the three are one and the same.

absured that is in light of the scriptures I posted.

You excel at contradicting scripture

 

[oatmeal]

Oh, and by the way, [MENTION=12603]oatmeal[/MENTION], it's "has given," not "gave."

In fact...

The word used for "granted" in the above image is this:

Morphology: V-AIM-3S Part of Speech: - V: Verb Grammatical Categories: - Tense A: Aorist - Mood I: Indicative - Voice M: Middle - Person 3: 3rd Person - Number S: Singular

what are you referring to?

Has given him a name?

My point is the same and is clearly stated that he was given that name, God gave Jesus that name, Jesus did not have that name until

a. God gave it to himself?

b. Jesus gave it to himself?

c. God gave Jesus that name

Stop and think what those words actually say instead of using a jackhammer to try to insert private interpretation into it

 

[Apple7]

Google harder...

Google harder...

I see these roots are mistaken as intransitive nouns. Why is the direct object marker never or rarely used with them?

Said no one, ever.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Or, their accusations were correct, that He WAS making Himself out to be God, because He WAS and IS God

Jesus is God, and He never denied it when accused.

Jesus corrected two things.
First, Jesus corrected the notion that men could not be gods by using scripture.
Second, Jesus corrected the notion that He was claiming to be God Almighty by stating plainly that He claimed to be the Son of God Almighty.

Stop trying to make Jesus into a liar.

 

[MennoSota]

Why would you state an untruth like this?
I directly addressed Heb 1:8 AND 9

Why do you ignore Heb 1:9???

No you didn't. You just quoted the Psalms and ignore that the writer of Hebrews declares the Son of God to be God.
You have to ignore and excuse away scripture in order to prop up your crutch. Feel free to hold your crutch forever, but don't blow smoke my way with a false proposition that Yeshua, Jesus, is not God. Jesus, himself, was clear. Paul, Peter and John were clear and the writer of Hebrews is clear.
It is of no value for me to talk to a wall. I don't share to change your mind. I share so that no one else becomes your fools companion.
Hebrews 1:1-4,8
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

 

[genuineoriginal]

I, for one, never claim that the word "the" means "the one and only".

Yet, you keep doing it over and over.

Only a fool would claim that

Then stop being a fool.

Is THE [one and only] ruler of all of Egypt EQUAL TO THE [one and only] ruler of all of Egypt? Yes or No?

You are being a fool.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Jesus forgave sins, and ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS.

Mark 2:7 “Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

The Jews were mistaken in not accepting the fact that God can delegate His authority to others.
You have been eating the leaven of the Pharisees.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The proposition, 'Jesus is the Son of God', is neither a contrary of, nor the contradictory of, the proposition, 'Jesus is God'. The contradictory of 'Jesus is God' is, of course, 'Jesus is not God'.

You sound as if you are confused of whether you are your own father or whether you are your father's son.

 

[genuineoriginal]

And yet...just a chapter prior, John 9.35 - 38, Jesus declares that He is The Son, and He is immediately worshiped as God!

John 9:35-38 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.​

Jesus was worshiped as lord, not as God.

 

[God's Truth]

the scribes and pharisees were made to administer the immutable eternal Law...the temple was made to house It in...

No temple and no Pharisees. No one is sitting in Moses’ seat anymore.

We are the new ministers of that same IMMUTABLE ETERNAL LAW...our bodies are the temples in which it is now housed...written in our now circumcised hearts and minds...

You conflate moral law with ceremonial law...confuse literal with spiritual...replace obedience and lawfulness with liberty and lawlessness...

I do no such thing. There is a new law and the old one is gone.

because you are doing the same thing they are...seperating His people...replacing the wall He abolished...

You are ridiculous to use the word ‘goyim’; it doesn’t make you seem more Jewish or acknowledgeable.
You don’t seem to know the wall is gone. You don’t see how you are the bitterroot.

They use goyim to designate between Jew and NOT JEW and they claim Yahushua changed the customs Moses delivered...SO DO YOU...on both counts...

So you still teach circumcision and the observance of special days?

What’s the matter you don’t like being seperated? Then stop seperating yourself and LIVE AS HE DID...according to His customs and even as Paul did...NO DISTINCTION between jew and goyim Peter preached multiple times

There is neither Jew nor Gentile for those who are in Christ Jesus. That means no Jewish old law that used to separate Jew and Gentile.

the jews were saved BEFORE they even received the Law...keeping the Law did not MAKE THEM CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM...they already were...

You must be afraid to speak about Moses and what was going to happen to him for not obeying.

No, only people in the covenant of circumcision were they called a child of God and in the covenant.

And if they were cut off for disobeying it was because ALREADY INSIDE THEY WERE UNCLEAN UNCIRCUMCISED...

That is not from the Bible. lol

SAME LAWS...but NEW administration...

That is not true. I gave you many examples of the new rules and regulations.

Because of Sabbath you reject all the others? LOL

Jesus is the Sabbath Rest.
You have fallen from grace if you preach circumcision.
You don’t do all the others. LOL
You take animals to the temple?
You don’t even obey the Sabbath as they did in the old law.

The 10 remain as Matt 23:3 confirms this...

you really think the 10 commandments were not included in His life and teaching when He said keep my commandments...do my Father’s will...Love as I loved you...

The observance of special days was a shadow. There are no shadows in Christ who is light.

He signed and sealed the new covenant having taught and demonstrated Sabbath keeping...the first day in that new covenant age was a SABBATH just like the first full day in the EDENIC one...neat eh?

The gates were closed on the Sabbath and the Jews would have a hard time fleeing.
the walls went around Judea did they? “...let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains...” but NOT on the Sabbath as fleeing aint resting...you know keeping the Sabbath..

You don’t even acknowledge were walls around Jerusalem, but you want to be a teacher.

that sabbath gate closing thingy is SOOOO OT...dontcha know they would have stopped doing that at 70AD LOL
Yahushua fully expected winter times and Sabbath times to continue...long after His DBR and ascension...

You are just saying anything. The walls were there in 70AD and the wall was restored after that.

reconcile us to a LAWLESS GOD? LOL try not keeping one of His lawsin the kingdom you are to reign...

You are saying anything untruthful. I said a new law so why do you say lawless?

 

[genuineoriginal]

No, He didn't lie. You just misunderstood him. The Jews didn't.

The Jews misunderstood Jesus, which is why He corrected Him.