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There is only one God and He is the Father. Since Jesus is God he is that same one and only God and Father.
Jesus CANNOT be Jehovah/YHVH God
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Now you're claiming there are three Gods.
There is only one God.
He is three Persons.
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The Old Testament says God forgives sins and would forgive sins one day without the purification/ceremonial works of the law.
Psalm 32:5I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
Romans 4:6 And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
genuineoriginal
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The verse quoted shows one being talking to a second being.
The original claim is that the verse is referring to one being and three persons.
That original claim is an argument from stupidity.
I point out the stupidity in the original claim by stating the truth that there are two beings in the verse.
You are so confused by the Trinity doctrine that you are seeing a third being in verses that only have two beings mentioned.
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genuineoriginal,
Who do you think Jesus is if not God? Do you believe that Jesus came from heaven? Do you think Jesus was just a man? You think God just had a human child? How was this man sinless?
Who do you think Jesus is if not God? Do you believe that Jesus came from heaven? Do you think Jesus was just a man? You think God just had a human child? How was this man sinless?
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I ended at the verse where God answered the question with I AM has sent me to you
question:
Exo 3:13 Then Moses said to God, "If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?"
answer:
Exo 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
Just because you don't like the answer does not mean it is not true. the word moreover does not undo that answer it adds
another name,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob
cultist deny the trinity therefore you have a cultist held belief and you are lost because of it
moreover no matter what you read you have predetermined to read into any verse
your cultist held belief
Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
my point is the commandments are God's commandments which Jesus claims are his commandments
therefore Jesus is God
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
my point is only God is lord of the sabbath and Jesus claims to be Lord of the sabbath
therefore Jesus is God
way 2 go
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says the one who did not prove I failed :kookoo:
genuineoriginal
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I can't go slow enough for you to understand.
No, you don't need to try to look for anything except the truth.
Whatever authority Jesus has was given to Him by God.
John 3:35-36 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. |
You read these verses as "God loves God and anyone that believes the Trinity has everlasting life" instead of what the verses actually say.
And?
Please quote the post where this claim was made.
Because as far as I'm aware, no such claim was made.
The claim is that God is one Being, three Persons, not that that specific verse says that.
Yes, that verse is used in defense of the trinity, but only in that it shows TWO of the THREE Persons, the Father and the Son, speaking, both being referred to as God.
Your claim is that since the Holy Spirit isn't mentioned disproves the trinity, which again I point out is an argument from silence.
And this is a straw man and appeal to the stone.
The original claim is not what you say it is, and saying the argument is stupid is not a valid argument to make either.
Again, appeal to the stone.
Which you have made into a straw man
Something that was never in question.
Yet another straw man.
First of all, God is ONE Being, not three.
He is three PERSONS, not three Beings.
Second, no one has argued that the verse shows three Persons.
genuineoriginal
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The Bible teaches that there are many more than just three gods.
Not quite.
The Bible teaches that the children of Israel are to have only one god: YHVH.
That is not found anywhere in the Bible.
genuineoriginal
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The Bible states that Jesus is the Christ (promised Messiah), the Son of God.
The Bible states that Jesus came from heaven.
The Bible states that Jesus was a man, but never states that Jesus was "just" a man.
The Bible states that the Son of God was born as a human child.
The Bible states that Jesus was sinless, but the Bible does not say how Jesus did it.
The Bible states that Jesus learned obedience and that the obedience of Jesus is the reason God gave Jesus a name above all other names.
Hebrews 5:8 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; |
Philippians 2:8-9 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: |
genuineoriginal
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I already did that.
Have you learned to look up yet?
There are no verses that say God is one being in three persons.
The Bible never teaches that one being can be more than one person.
I have no reason to disprove the trinity, since the Bible never teaches the trinity.
The claim was made that the verse proves the trinity, which is a false claim.
The argument from stupidity comes from claiming that two equals one which equals three.
The trinity doctrine is nothing but proof by repeated assertion, but saying something over and over does not make it true.
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Okay, good, you believe that Jesus came from heaven. However, I want you to clarify that. Do you think that Jesus was alive in heaven?
So what kind of man do you think Jesus was when on earth?
You believe Jesus was alive in heaven as a Son of God?
The angels were called the sons of God.
Are you saying you believe Jesus was an angel in heaven before coming to earth?
Right, Jesus was sinless; however, all humans sin. So Jesus was just a regular man taught by God and was sinless?
Good Lord.
Read your Bible.
Bible study is actually “Studying the Bible.”
Take it seriously.
The truth is that John’s account depicts Jesus as anti-Semitic.
I am not going to do your research for you.
I do think, however, that you are not even curious enough to do any for yourself.
Read your Bible.
Bible study is actually “Studying the Bible.”
Take it seriously.
The truth is that John’s account depicts Jesus as anti-Semitic.
I am not going to do your research for you.
I do think, however, that you are not even curious enough to do any for yourself.
oh, puhlease. Something became because of something else. The verbs mean more than 'to exist'.
Anti-Judah not anti-Semitic instead?
genuineoriginal
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There are no dead beings in heaven.
Jesus was called the Son of Man in heaven, according to the Book of Enoch.
Book of Enoch 46:1-8 1 And there I saw One who had a head of days, And His head was white like wool, And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man, And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels. 2 And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that 3 Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me: This is the son of Man who hath righteousness, With whom dwelleth righteousness, And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden, Because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen him, And whose lot hath the pre-eminence before the Lord of Spirits in uprightness for ever. 4 And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen Shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats, [And the strong from their thrones] And shall loosen the reins of the strong, And break the teeth of the sinners. 5 [And he shall put down the kings from their thrones and kingdoms] Because they do not extol and praise Him, Nor humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was bestowed upon them. 6 And he shall put down the countenance of the strong, And shall fill them with shame. And darkness shall be their dwelling, And worms shall be their bed, And they shall have no hope of rising from their beds, Because they do not extol the name of the Lord of Spirits. [And raise their hands against the Most High], And tread upon the earth and dwell upon it. And all their deeds manifest unrighteousness, And their power rests upon their riches, And their faith is in the gods which they have made with their hands, And they deny the name of the Lord of Spirits, 8 And they persecute the houses of His congregations, And the faithful who hang upon the name of the Lord of Spirits. |
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Well, there are people who just think Jesus came from heaven because God made him. You don’t need to be sarcastic.
I am asking you if you think that Jesus was an angel in heaven before coming to earth.
I am not going to discuss that book. Let’s keep discussing your beliefs and what you claim according to the Bible.
Hogwash.
Psa 45 is the text Hebrews 1:8,9 quotes. THE PROPHECY IS ABOUT THE KINGS OF ISRAEL, INCLUDING JESUS.
Did you get it this time??? I'm not ignoring the verse, I am proving what the verse MEANS.
The writer to the Hebrews does a great job of clarifying doesn't he.
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne,
O God,
is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
He says Jesus is God. It's right there. I just share the text. You dodge it.
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