What kind of weeping and grinding of teeth do angels or sons of god do?
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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What kind of weeping and grinding of teeth do angels or sons of god do?
gnashing of teeth is a metaphor for worry/anquish/ suffering
Definition: angry noise and upset
example :There has been much gnashing of teeth about the proposal to close the hospital.
Tell me how those who are asleep and then destroyed completely are able to cry and wail in suffering, rage, anger, worry despair?
Those are what weeping and gnashing of teeth are.
Those are what weeping and gnashing of teeth are.
Howabout Gehenna was not some extradimensional place, but existed in Israel. Are you sure you are going where your worm won't be dying, and where thy thirst will not have been quenched?
No, im not going there, i am saved.
Yeah, you think you are safe.:ha:
Good thing you aren't my judge about it isnt it.
You define salvation wrong, and it is a little early for you to think you have some guarantee into the kingdom of god.
StanJ53
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Is this all you do is answer questions with questions?
You sound very uncommitted to your opinions.
Why bother making them if you can't defend them?
Yes I think a dog is like a plant in that God created them both for a purpose and that does NOT include being anything like mankind.
StanJ53
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John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Matthew 25:46 for the former and nothing for the later.
Matthew 25:46 does not say that anyone goes to eternal conscious torment, okay?
StanJ53
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It says; "And these will depart to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Just EXACTLY why do you think Jesus said 'eternal punishment', and not destruction or destroyed, or even eliminated? Death is a one time experience, it does not happen continuously for eternity. Punishment is just that, the reaping for what you have sown. It is continual, just as it is in your own life today when you reap what you sow.
Why would Jesus come back to condemn those who are already, according to your belief, meta-physically dead? Think about it.
"depart to eternal punishment" means perish?
StanJ53
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Yes I agree...I said a dog is LIKE a plant in that they are both alive. A dog is also like a dolphin and a mollusc, but none of them have a soul. Nephesh also means creature, which an insect qualifies as. None has a soul like humans do. As far as I read in Rev 21 and 22, only humans will be in the new earth, and ONE tree, the Tree of Life.
StanJ53
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Jesus said what I quoted and that is NOT what you write here.
The word is κόλασις kolasis, and does NOT mean perish. It means what it says. Perish ONLY relates to the body, as Jesus says in John 10:28, where the word used is ἀπόλλυμι apollymi, which means to be destroyed.
Jesus knew what words to use and you are NOT using the words He actually used. Jesus conveyed the essence of what hell is, and it IS eternal meta-physical cognizant separation from God. If that isn't torment, then I don't know what is.