How many people actually caught measles from the vaccination?

[elohiym]

Like the above example, The bunk is posted faster than I can debunk it.

There is was nothing bunk about what I posted.

MV-NIS is a recombinant oncolytic measles virus (MV) derived from an attenuated Edmonston lineage vaccine strain (MV-Edm) that was adapted to grow on human cancer (HeLa) cells, then engineered to express the human thyroidal sodium iodide symporter (NIS) so that its in vivo spread can be noninvasively monitored by radioiodine single-photon emission computed tomography (SPECT)—computed tomography (CT) imaging.5​

They simply modified the vaccine strain to be monitored, but obviously the vaccine strain would do the same thing.

MV-Edm, and hence MV-NIS, targets CD46 as a cell-entry and cell-fusion receptor.​

You debunked nothing I claimed, and neither did the blog post you quoted.

 

[CabinetMaker]

No. You are mistaken. The MMR contains a live attenuated measles virus. It causes an infection. That is how a live virus vaccine works.

Come back after you learn what an attenuated virus is and how it conveys immunity.

Would you test positive for measles antibodies right now?

Maybe.

If yes, then you have had a measles infection whether or not you became symptomatic. If no, then go get infected with the attenuated measles virus and you will then test positive for measles antibodies.

I've never had the measles! I've had the measles vaccine. Antibodies don't know the difference between the vaccine or the virus.

You allowed yourself to be infected with a strain of measles virus. That attenuated strain is less virulent than the wild strain, which is why your infection was asymptomatic. A wild strain measles infection can be asymptomatic, too.

There are many possibilities when dealing with diseases and people.

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

All articles offered are footnoted with original source material which...

...cites Naturalnews.com as its source. One quack source citing another.

 

[CabinetMaker]

Great CM....hope you didn't harm your daughters immune system.

One benefit of having measles is that a person so infected will then have lifelong, permanent immunity to it. Mothers transfer antibodies against measles to their babies, which protect them from this disease during their early critical months of life. The MMR shot, however, does not provide lifelong immunity to measles. It only lasts several years, and successively less effective booster shots are required.

Dr.Donald Miller

Oooops.

Given that vaccines trigger the immune system to do what God designed it to, I'm not worried about it. Given their ages now and their general good health in the intervening years, I would conclude their immune systems are functioning fine.

 

[elohiym]

Let's look at the title of the Paper, shall we?

Clinical testing of engineered oncolytic measles virus strains in the treatment of cancer: An overview

Many viruses may have been known to have a preference for cancerous cells, but can also damage healthy cells and cause adverse effects, engineered viruses are synthesized with this in mind to help mitigate these dangers given that this is essentially using one disease to fight another. The specific case trial of 'measles curing cancer[err]' was of an engineered strain.

So? Are you not following the conversation, not grasping the points, not connecting the dots or are you on drugs on something?

 

[elohiym]

Come back after you learn what an attenuated virus is and how it conveys immunity.

You can't be reasoned with. That's obvious. Typical pro-vax sociopath.

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

So? Are you not following the conversation, not grasping the points, not connecting the dots or are you on drugs on something?

Are you? The clinical trials mentioned involved the engineered virus. This is a fact. If you could present any study that demonstrates experimentally that wildtype measles cures cancer, I will take back my statement.

 

[CabinetMaker]

I have provided facts on this thread, like:

1. Measles incidence and death rates were declining prior the licensing of the measles vaccine.

and probably would have gone back up given the history of infection rates prior to the introduction of the vaccine.

2. There was a dramatic drop in the incidence of measles infection from 1940 to 1945.

Can you tell us what happened the the incidence of measles between 1945 and 1950?
3. There was a massive reduction in unemployment and public funding of nutritional programs that correlate with the drop in incidence of measles infection from 1940 to 1945.[/quote] Can you tell us what happened the the incidence of measles between 1945 and 1950?

4. There was a war on poverty in the U.S., e.g. food stamps, etc., at the same time the measles vaccine was allegedly reducing measles infections.

Can you tell us the outcome of that war? Was poverty eliminated? Substantially reduced?

5. The measles vaccine is a live attenuated virus.

Yes, it is. I understand that it conveys better immunity than the dead strains.

6. A live attenuated measles virus is a less virulent strain of the wild measles virus.

Correct. The RNA packet that viruses introduce into cells has been destroyed.

7. Injecting a live attenuated virus causes a viral infection some claim is harmless and others claim can cause complications (adverse reactions).

Some people do have adverse reactions to the vaccine.

8. A live attenuated virus can mutate and become virulent.

If improperly prepared, the vaccine can become virulent.

The scholarly sources you linked to agree with my claims above.

To some degree, yes. They do not support not vaccinating your kids.

 

[CabinetMaker]

You can't be reasoned with. That's obvious. Typical pro-vax sociopath.

You have not presented any reasonable argument. You seem to think that "attenuated virus" is identical to the measles virus. It us not? Do you know what a live attenuated virus is? Do you know why it conveys immunity to people who receive it?

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

Effectiveness of measles vaccination and vitamin A treatment

Results:

A meta-analysis of these studies found that vaccination was 85% [95% confidence interval (CI) 83–87] effective in preventing measles disease, which will be used as a proxy for measles mortality in LiST for countries vaccinating before one year of age. The literature also suggests that a conservative 95% effect estimate is reasonable to employ when vaccinating at 1 year or later and 98% for two doses of vaccine based on serology reviews.

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/39/suppl_1/i48.full

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Measles Transmission and Vaccine Effectiveness during a Large Outbreak on a Densely Populated Island: Implications for Vaccination Policy

Results. Seventy-two households were included in the study. The median household size was 11 persons, and the median number of persons per room was 5.5. Secondary cases were more likely than primary cases to be infants (46% vs. 13%; P = .03). MMR vaccine effectiveness was 92% (95% confidence interval [CI], 67%–98%) for 1 dose and 95% (95% CI, 82%–98%) for 2 doses.

Conclusions. Measles vaccine effectiveness was high; thus, diminished effectiveness was not the main cause of the outbreak. In communities with high population density and household crowding, very high population immunity is needed to prevent measles outbreaks and to protect infants below the age of vaccination. This may require excellent implementation of a routine 2-dose measles vaccination strategy.

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Measles Vaccine Effectiveness and Duration of Vaccine-induced Immunity in the Absence of Boosting from Exposure to Measles Virus

Results: Among 78 contacts 4 of 5 (80%) unvaccinated, 4 of 35 (11%) 1-dose vaccine recipients and none of 38 (0%) >1-dose recipients developed measles. Effectiveness of 1-dose vaccine was 86% (95% confidence interval, 60 to 95%). An additional dose significantly reduced the risk of measles (P = 0.048). Time since vaccination was not a significant risk factor for developing measles (relative risk, 1.6; 95% confidence interval, 0.3 to 9.4; persons vaccinated >15 years ago vs. <5 years ago).

http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstra..._Vaccine_Effectiveness_and_Duration_of.5.aspx

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Clinical efficacy of measles vaccine during the 1990 measles epidemic.


Because of increased measles incidence in the United States during 1989 and 1990 and the recent finding of genomic differences between vaccine virus and contemporary wild measles viruses, we conducted a study to determine whether the current measles vaccine had become less effective. Household secondary attack rates for 203 California children ages 1 to 5 years were 4.2 and 77.8% for vaccinated and unvaccinated children, respectively, and the vaccine efficacy was 95% (95% confidence interval: 89%, 97%). The protective efficacy for postexposure vaccination and use of IG were both low, 4% (95% confidence interval: less than 0, 36%) and 8% (95% confidence interval: less than 0, 59%), respectively. The measles vaccine efficacy found in this study is similar to those obtained in previous years and indicates that the measles epidemic of 1989 to 1990 occurred despite high vaccine effectiveness.

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/42/3/315.short


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Measles vaccine effectiveness in standard and early immunization strategies, Niger, 1995

Results. Highest measles incidence rates were observed among children <1 year of age. Vaccine effectiveness estimates increased with age at vaccination from 78% with a single dose administered at 6 months of age to 95% at 9 months. Vaccine effectiveness with the early two dose strategy was 93%.

http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstra...vaccine_effectiveness_in_standard_and.14.aspx

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[Daedalean's_Sun]

The measles vaccine is effective in preventing measles, yes or no?

 

[drbrumley]

Given that vaccines trigger the immune system to do what God designed it to, I'm not worried about it. Given their ages now and their general good health in the intervening years, I would conclude their immune systems are functioning fine.

Totally ignoring "The MMR shot, however, does not provide lifelong immunity to measles. It only lasts several years, and successively less effective booster shots are required."

BTW, Given that vaccines trigger the immune system to do what God designed it to isn't accurate. Given the above facts. But hey, whatever floats your boat brother.

 

[CabinetMaker]

Totally ignoring "The MMR shot, however, does not provide lifelong immunity to measles. It only lasts several years, and successively less effective booster shots are required."

neither does actually contracting the disease. The immunity will fade over time. That is why people get shingles. Their immunity to chicken pox wanes as people age allowing the virus to become active again,

BTW, Given that vaccines trigger the immune system to do what God designed it to isn't accurate. Given the above facts. But hey, whatever floats your boat brother.

Given the above facts, I don't agree with your conclusion. By the way, why don't we have polio anymore in the US?

 

[elohiym]

The measles vaccine is effective in preventing measles, yes or no?

It is effective at giving a person a measles infection.

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

It is effective at giving a person a measles infection.

Evade the question if you wish. Or you could answer it if you are feeling brave.

 

[fzappa13]

Any way ... where were we? Ah yes ...

5- Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC) Own Data Shows Links Between Vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)

What happens when the actual evidence from the scientific and clinical literature produced by these very agencies contradicts their own vaccine policies?

This is exactly what has happened with the publication of a new study in the Journal of Pediatrics titled ,”Adverse Events following Haemophilus influenzae Type b Vaccines in the Vaccine Adverse Event ReportingSystem, 1990-2013,” wherein CDC and FDA researchers identify 749 deaths linked to the administration of the Hib vaccine, 51% of which were sudden infant death linked to the administration of Hib vaccine. (Sayer Ji, Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC) Own Data Shows Links Between Vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), GreenMedInfo 23 January 2015)


Quack source:

national library of medicine

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25598306

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25598306

 

[elohiym]

The measles vaccine is effective in preventing measles, yes or no?

It is effective at giving a person a measles infection.

Evade the question if you wish. Or you could answer it if you are feeling brave.

You are evading the point that a measles vaccination is an intentional infection with a live measles virus. It is a measles infection!

You're really asking if an intentional measles infection with one strain is effective at preventing future measles infections from other strains.

 

[elohiym]

The measles vaccine ...

Prior to the licensing of the vaccine, children with natural measles infection in the U.S. had a low mortality rate.

 

[resodko]

You are evading the point that a measles vaccination is an intentional infection with a live measles virus. It is a measles infection!

you're a retard :nono:

 

[elohiym]

you're a retard :nono:

No. You are deceitful, trying to make people think the attenuated live measles virus does not give a person a measles infection. While you pretend scientists sow confusion and distrust, real scientists study how attenuated measles viruses infect people because they are still trying to understand it. For example:

Measles virus vaccine attenuation: suboptimal infection of lymphatic tissue and tropism alteration.

The mechanisms of measles virus (MV) vaccine attenuation are insufficiently characterized. Because the Edmonston vaccine strain can enter cells through CD46 in addition to the primary MV receptor signaling lymphocyte activation molecule (SLAM or CD150), we asked whether and how its tropism is altered. In human tonsillar tissue, this vaccine strain infects naive (CD45RA(+)CD62L(+)) T lymphocytes, which express SLAM very infrequently, with much higher efficiency than do wild-type strains. By contrast, it infects B lymphocytes, macrophages, and NK cells with significantly lower efficiencies than those of wild-type strains. Infection levels by wild-type strains correlate with the frequency of SLAM expression and are highest in B cells, which are 40%-55% infected. SLAM-expressing T cells are more readily infected by all MV strains than are SLAM-expressing B cells. Thus, vaccine attenuation may be caused by tropism alteration in combination with suboptimal replication.​

So how long are you and the other pretend scientists on this thread going to keep ignoring the facts? When you get a measles vaccine, you are getting infected with a strain of measles. That is how that particular vaccine works.