How many people actually caught measles from the vaccination?

[fzappa13]

Mandatory Chickenpox Vaccination Increases Disease Rates, Study Shows

Varicella, or the chicken pox vaccination, has been mandated in South Korea since 2005. Infants from 12 to 15 months are required by law to receive a vaccination. By 2011, the country reached a near universal compliance rate, however, varicella patients did not decrease; they have increased since reaching this mandated level of vaccination.

The number of chicken pox patients reported to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) has increased from 22.6 cases per 100,000 in 2006 to 71.6 cases per 100,000 in 2011. That’s a huge difference and ample proof that the vaccination program isn’t working to control the spread of the disease. (Christina Sarich, With 97% Compliance Chicken Pox Vaccine Still Causes Outbreaks, Natural Society, January 08, 2015)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/with-97-compliance-chicken-pox-vaccine-still-causes-outbreaks/5423535

 

[fzappa13]

Still hungry? There's plenty more where that came from. Tired of all the empty calories and toxins that McDonald's ... mmmm ... I mean the CDC is selling? You've just stumbled onto the Reality Buffet. All you can eat and good for you too.

 

[elohiym]

And yet it wasn't measles. It was only that portion of the measles virus required for the body to recognize the disease and developed antibodies for it.

No. You are mistaken. The MMR contains a live attenuated measles virus. It causes an infection. That is how a live virus vaccine works.

I never had the measles.

Would you test positive for measles antibodies right now? If yes, then you have had a measles infection whether or not you became symptomatic. If no, then go get infected with the attenuated measles virus and you will then test positive for measles antibodies.

I had a measles vaccine that works in a specific way to convey immunity without actually getting sick from measles.

You allowed yourself to be infected with a strain of measles virus. That attenuated strain is less virulent than the wild strain, which is why your infection was asymptomatic. A wild strain measles infection can be asymptomatic, too.

 

[elohiym]

this is why i left off with you - your ignorance is staggering :nono:

He willingly had a doctor inject him with a live virus intended to infect him with measles in order to prevent what he was led to believe would be a more serious infection of measles. Call that ignorance if you want, but don't call it my ignorance.

 

[elohiym]

This is from a textbook on clinical pediatric neurology:

Live-attenuated virus vaccines (measles, mumps, rubella, varicella, and oral poliomyelitis) produce a mild and harmless infection with subsequent immunity.​

When you vaccinate your child with a live-attenuated virus vaccine you are intentionally giving your child a measles infection. The claim the infection is "mild and harmless" is debatable; we have seen billions in vaccine injury damage awards paid to victims of those "mild and harmless" infections.

 

[drbrumley]

We vaccinated both of our daughters. Both girls are healthy and only ever suffered the normal range of colds and the occasional flu. We have never regretted the choice and it helped our daughters avoid this life while growing up.

Great CM....hope you didn't harm your daughters immune system.

One benefit of having measles is that a person so infected will then have lifelong, permanent immunity to it. Mothers transfer antibodies against measles to their babies, which protect them from this disease during their early critical months of life. The MMR shot, however, does not provide lifelong immunity to measles. It only lasts several years, and successively less effective booster shots are required.

Dr.Donald Miller

Oooops.

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

GlobalResearch.com, surely a respectable and credible source of news:

The Global Research website was established on the 9th of September 2001, two days before the tragic events of September 11. Barely a few days later, Global Research had become a major news source on the New World Order...

...or not. :hammer:

 

[elohiym]

Great CM....hope you didn't harm your daughters immune system.

One benefit of having measles is that a person so infected will then have lifelong, permanent immunity to it. Mothers transfer antibodies against measles to their babies, which protect them from this disease during their early critical months of life. The MMR shot, however, does not provide lifelong immunity to measles. It only lasts several years, and successively less effective booster shots are required.

Dr.Donald Miller

Oooops.

Passive acquired immunity against measles in infants born to naturally infected and vaccinated mothers.

CONCLUSIONS: Passive acquired immunity in infants born to mothers who have had measles lasts longer than in infants born to vaccinated mothers.​

 

[elohiym]

I posted the story earlier about how scientists are using the measles virus to cure cancer. The patient was given a maximum dose of the vaccine strain measles virus; it caused an infection and did what even the wild measles virus will do: seek out and destroy cancer.

It's interesting that the inventor of the MMR vaccine died from cancer in 2005. He became famous by creating and selling a vaccine against a virus that is becoming a cure for what killed him.

 

[elohiym]

Well you certainly have not demonstrated anything beyond impassioned opinion.

I have provided facts on this thread, like:

1. Measles incidence and death rates were declining prior the licensing of the measles vaccine.
2. There was a dramatic drop in the incidence of measles infection from 1940 to 1945.
3. There was a massive reduction in unemployment and public funding of nutritional programs that correlate with the drop in incidence of measles infection from 1940 to 1945.
4. There was a war on poverty in the U.S., e.g. food stamps, etc., at the same time the measles vaccine was allegedly reducing measles infections.
5. The measles vaccine is a live attenuated virus.
6. A live attenuated measles virus is a less virulent strain of the wild measles virus.
7. Injecting a live attenuated virus causes a viral infection some claim is harmless and others claim can cause complications (adverse reactions).
8. A live attenuated virus can mutate and become virulent.

That is what is in those links, scientific studies and data and analysis of this subject for years and years and years. You are not an immunologist and have given me no reason to suspect that your opinion is somehow better informed and more accurate than all the scientific data that says you are wrong.

The scholarly sources you linked to agree with my claims above.

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

I posted the story earlier about how scientists are using the measles virus to cure cancer. The patient was given a maximum dose of the vaccine strain measles virus; it caused an infection and did what even the wild measles virus will do: seek out and destroy cancer.

It's interesting that the inventor of the MMR vaccine died from cancer in 2005. He became famous by creating and selling a vaccine against a virus that is becoming a cure for what killed him.

Media outlets, both traditional and social, are awash with the news that researchers in the US have apparently cured cancer with the measles virus – for example, the Washington Post, Daily Mail, Daily Mirror, Daily Telegraph and (with a much more measured headline) Reuters. But while the story is dramatic – a 49-year old US woman’s myeloma blood cancer seems to have completely disappeared following treatment – the actual science is a lot more complex than simply injecting her with an armful of measles. A number of the stories implied that the woman had been treated with an extremely high dose of the regular measles vaccine, but we need to be absolutely clear here: This treatment did not involve a standard measles vaccine or virus – the researchers used a genetically modified virus, and there’s no evidence that the regular measles or MMR jab can cure, prevent or cause any type of cancer. In fact, we’ve been here before – the approach is similar (although different in certain key respects) to the modified HIV-type virus used to successfully treat a young girl with leukaemia. Overblown headlines about her treatment also flew round the social media world before the scientific truth had got its boots on.

^Source

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

Like the above example, The bunk is posted faster than I can debunk it.

 

[fzappa13]

GlobalResearch.com, surely a respectable and credible source of news:

The Global Research website was established on the 9th of September 2001, two days before the tragic events of September 11. Barely a few days later, Global Research had become a major news source on the New World Order...

...or not. :hammer:

All articles offered are footnoted with original source material which you fail to address because, being intellectually dishonest, you can't. So you throw up this lame excuse for a refutation ...just as your bud Barbie has in the past. By inference this means that, from now on, myself and anyone else so inclined have your permission to use the fact that you or Barbie said something and agreed as proof it is spurious simply because you and/or he said it. Right? That's only fair. Right?

Saves a lot of time and no one has to worry about addressing facts.

 

[drbrumley]

Like the above example, The bunk is posted faster than I can debunk it.

I guess I'm still waiting for my post to be debunked. :sigh:

 

[elohiym]

[from a blog]
This treatment did not involve a standard measles vaccine or virus – the researchers used a genetically modified virus, and there’s no evidence that the regular measles or MMR jab can cure, prevent or cause any type of cancer.

From the scientific literature:

“It is of note that a number of viral strains, including certain derivatives of the attenuated live measles virus Edmonston (MV-Edm) vaccine strain, demonstrate a propensity to preferentially infect, propagate in, and destroy cancerous tissue."
​

Not just the "genetically modified virus."

Historically, evidence of measles oncolytic activity was first provided by several case reports in the mid-twentieth century that documented the spontaneous regression of hematological cancers (ie, leukemias, Hodgkin’s disease and Burkitt’s lymphoma) after wild-type MV infection (Figure 1) [4–9].​

You lose again.

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

It's interesting that the inventor of the MMR vaccine died from cancer in 2005. He became famous by creating and selling a vaccine against a virus that is becoming a cure for what killed him.

First of all, anyone that talks about 'curing cancer' is demonstrating a fundamental ignorance of Oncology. It's like 'curing viruses' or 'curing bacteria'. Cancer is the name for a wide range of diseases caused by the growth of abnormal cells. Cancer is not a monolithic disease, it is a range of completely different diseases characterized by a common method of propagation.


No, measles does not cure cancer, a virus genetically modified from measles, that does not exist in nature, has shown promise in curing a specific type of blood cancer; A type of blood cancer Maurice Hilleman did not have.

 

[elohiym]

No, measles does not cure cancer ...

Then call it spontaneous regression of hematological cancers. I don't care. You're just playing word games.

 

[elohiym]

...A type of blood cancer Maurice Hilleman did not have.

What type of cancer did Maurice Hilleman have?

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

From the scientific literature:

“It is of note that a number of viral strains, including certain derivatives of the attenuated live measles virus Edmonston (MV-Edm) vaccine strain, demonstrate a propensity to preferentially infect, propagate in, and destroy cancerous tissue."
​

Not just the "genetically modified virus."

Historically, evidence of measles oncolytic activity was first provided by several case reports in the mid-twentieth century that documented the spontaneous regression of hematological cancers (ie, leukemias, Hodgkin’s disease and Burkitt’s lymphoma) after wild-type MV infection (Figure 1) [4–9].​

You lose again.

Let's look at the title of the Paper, shall we?

Clinical testing of engineered oncolytic measles virus strains in the treatment of cancer: An overview

Many viruses may have been known to have a preference for cancerous cells, but can also damage healthy cells and cause adverse effects, engineered viruses are synthesized with this in mind to help mitigate these dangers given that this is essentially using one disease to fight another. The specific case trial of 'measles curing cancer[err]' was of an engineered strain.

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

Then call it spontaneous regression of hematological cancers. I don't care. You're just playing word games.

That wasn't my contention. Please re-read the post.

Cancer is the name for a wide range of diseases caused by the growth of abnormal cells. Cancer is not a monolithic disease, it is a range of completely different diseases characterized by a common method of propagation. No, measles does not cure cancer, a virus genetically modified from measles, that does not exist in nature, has shown promise in curing a specific type of blood cancer; A type of blood cancer Maurice Hilleman did not have.