Then why did Paul refer to himself as, "The Chief of Sinners?" 1 Timothy 1:15.
How Jesus Justifies the Ungodly, Romans 4:5.
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Then why did Paul refer to himself as, "The Chief of Sinners?" 1 Timothy 1:15.
It was because he fought against Jesus. So Jesus asked him to stop it and he did.
The conversion of Paul was much more than that, Acts 9:1-18.
If you read on you will find that after his conversion Paul stopped persecuting Jesus' assembly.
I would hope so, seeing that he had become one of them.
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Well said.
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So many Christians say that in Romans 7, Paul was speaking of his life after Jesus saved him, that he could not stop sinning, that he could not do good, that he was a wretched man. I can hardly believe that people actually believe Apostle Paul was speaking of himself as a sinner AFTER Jesus saved him. That is utterly absurd.
Paul did not struggle with sin after Jesus saved him the way he did before Jesus saved him.
Paul in no way remained doing the sins that earned him the self-given title of Worst of Sinners. He said that about himself because BEFORE Jesus saved him, he was a violent man; he gave approval of Stephens’s death, guarded over the clothes that belonged to the men who killed Stephen. Can you imagine men taking off their clothes so that blood would not get splattered on them while they stone someone to death, and how Paul guarded these evil men's clothes while they killed Stephen?
Saul put many of the saints in prison, and when they were put to death, he cast his vote against them. Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison. Acts 22:4, Acts 22:20, Acts 26:10, Acts 8:3.
That is why Paul said he was the worst of sinners. Not because he kept sinning after he was saved! Pastors in many if not all denominations teach that falseness, that Paul, after Jesus saved him, struggled with sin so much and was the worst of sinners.
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Right on.
The Bible plainly teaches that Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:13-25.
Paul said that Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5. I guess that leaves you out, because you don't think that you are ungodly.
It's an allegory with Romans 8. Paul was not carnal after his conversion to Christ.
For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. (Romans 7:14)
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They can't even understand that much? How then can they understand anything?
Sinners are unbelievers, otherwise they would not practice sin.
Paul explained that believers and unbelievers are different species.
Flesh and blood cannot enter the God family.
Paul said that everyone is a sinner, Romans 3:23. There are only two kinds of sinners, saved sinners and lost sinners. Paul was a saved sinner, 1 Timothy 1:15.
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The sins of those whom Christ was their Surety / Saviour Heb. 7:22 was laid on Him in their behalf Is. 53:6.
But those whom Christ did not die for, shall die in their sins John 8:24!
So we have...
The Elect who were chosen to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:7; 2 Tim. 1:9.
As opposed to the non-elect [reprobates] who have no forgiveness of sins.
Rev. 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Paul stopped sinning. It's called conversion.
As long as we are in these Adamic bodies, we will sin. This is why Paul said that we need to be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:51-55.
What about the Gospel rejectors?
Nanja
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Those Christ died for were reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers.
Rom. 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
You don't have a clue as to what the Gospel is. If you did you would not be a Calvinist.
The Gospel is about how God justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto himself. 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
Your Calvinist doctrine is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. But you won't believe this until you are in the judgment and then it will be to late.