How Jesus Justifies the Ungodly, Romans 4:5.

[Nanja]

That's right.

But the only way to hear and believe the Gospel according to the scriptures, in a way that pleases God Rom. 8:7-9, is first one must be Born of God John 8:43, 47, and then Given to Believe Phil. 1:29; John 3:27. It's all of God's action that He Works exclusively in His Elect Children Eph. 1:4-5 whose sins were never imputed to them, but to Christ, their Surety Heb. 7:22 on their behalf Rom. 4:6-8!

I must clarify my statement.

A person is Saved before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9.

It's not contingent on their hearing and believing the Gospel.

But the evidence of the fact that they are Saved, is that they shall be made able to hear and believe the Gospel of God's Grace John 8:47 by being given Faith in New Birth Gal. 5:22, which Grace also gives them hearing ears Prov. 20:12.

 

[Nanja]

dup

 

[Robert Pate]

I must clarify my statement.

A person is Saved before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9.

It's not contingent on their hearing and believing the Gospel.

But the evidence of the fact that they are Saved, is that they shall be made able to hear and believe the Gospel of God's Grace John 8:47 by being given Faith in New Birth Gal. 5:22, which Grace also gives them hearing ears Prov. 20:12.

Your doctrine is contrary to the Gospel and is anti-Christ.

God is just, merciful and righteous and is not willing that any should perish, 2 Peter 3:9.

The God that so loves the world that he gives his only begotten Son for the sins of the world, is not the God of Calvinism.

The God of Calvinism is mean, cruel and devisive. He damns people to hell before they are born. It is not humanly possible to love or have faith in a such a God as this.

I think that what you have faith in is not God or Christ. It is an idea that you believe that you are one of the chosen one's.

 

[God's Truth]

Translation: Demonic drunk, as the reason He died for them, as we cannot repent of doing all of them.

Moron.

Why can't you repent after you sin?

 

[john w]

Why can't you repent after you sin?

Why can't you stop beating your husband?

 

[Robert Pate]

Why can't you repent after you sin?

Just because you repent doesn't mean that your not a sinner anymore. The fact that you had to repent is proof that you are a sinner.

 

[God's Truth]

Just because you repent doesn't mean that your not a sinner anymore. The fact that you had to repent is proof that you are a sinner.

Repent means to stop sinning.

You sound like you have no idea how to stop sinning.

Didn't you ever stop any sin for Jesus?

If you did, then you would know it is possible.

You never did.

You have nothing.

 

[God's Truth]

Why can't you stop beating your husband?

Have you stopped beating yours?

 

[Robert Pate]

Repent means to stop sinning.

You sound like you have no idea how to stop sinning.

Didn't you ever stop any sin for Jesus?

If you did, then you would know it is possible.

You never did.

You have nothing.

Isaiah says your righteousness is filthy rags.

Paul says that your righteousness comes short of the glory of God.

John says that you are deceiving yourself.

 

[jamie]

Just because you repent doesn't mean that your not a sinner anymore. The fact that you had to repent is proof that you are a sinner.

Is that what Paul taught?

Husbands, love your wives just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. (Ephesians 5:25-27)​

Holy and without blemish does not equate to sinner. You're off on the wrong foot from a scriptural standpoint.

 

[john w]

Have you stopped beating yours?

That's your best shot, idiot?

 

[Robert Pate]

Is that what Paul taught?

Husbands, love your wives just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. (Ephesians 5:25-27)​

Holy and without blemish does not equate to sinner. You're off on the wrong foot from a scriptural standpoint.

Paul said that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.

We are sinless only in Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

That's your best shot, idiot?

No, that is YOUR best shot.

 

[God's Truth]

Isaiah says your righteousness is filthy rags.

Paul says that your righteousness comes short of the glory of God.

John says that you are deceiving yourself.

God does not say that our obedience is as a filthy rag.


The Jews used to have to give BLOOD offerings for their sins---so that they could make themselves RIGHTEOUS BEFORE GOD.

God did NOT like it that the Jews would sin, give a BLOOD SIN OFFERING BUT NOT REALLY BE SORRY FOR THEIR SINS, their sins that they kept doing.

Those BLOOD offerings became as FILTHY THROW AWAY, BLOODY MENSTRUAL RAGS to the Lord.

Read Isaiah 1


Isaiah 1:13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings!

That is what is said by God about the offerings the people were bringing.

Is God putting down the law He gave about bringing offerings?

No, of course not, God is not putting down the law He gave.

God is putting down the offerings that are given by those who have not stopped sinning.

God is putting down the offerings given by people whose hearts are not right.



Read how God, who gave the law to Moses, is complaining that the Jews who were doing the law were doing it without a true heart of remorse from sin.


Isaiah 1:14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.
Your hands are full of blood!
16 Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.


Isaiah 16 Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
17 Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.
18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

 

[Robert Pate]

God does not say that our obedience is as a filthy rag.


The Jews used to have to give BLOOD offerings for their sins---so that they could make themselves RIGHTEOUS BEFORE GOD.

God did NOT like it that the Jews would sin, give a BLOOD SIN OFFERING BUT NOT REALLY BE SORRY FOR THEIR SINS, their sins that they kept doing.

Those BLOOD offerings became as FILTHY THROW AWAY, BLOODY MENSTRUAL RAGS to the Lord.

Read Isaiah 1


Isaiah 1:13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings!

That is what is said by God about the offerings the people were bringing.

Is God putting down the law He gave about bringing offerings?

No, of course not, God is not putting down the law He gave.

God is putting down the offerings that are given by those who have not stopped sinning.

God is putting down the offerings given by people whose hearts are not right.



Read how God, who gave the law to Moses, is complaining that the Jews who were doing the law were doing it without a true heart of remorse from sin.


Isaiah 1:14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.
Your hands are full of blood!
16 Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.


Isaiah 16 Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
17 Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.
18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Isaiah was talking about the Gospel and being justified by faith. God sees all that have come to Christ to be saved by him as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

 

[God's Truth]

Isaiah was talking about the Gospel and being justified by faith. God sees all that have come to Christ to be saved by him as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Jesus justifies us, cleans us, of the sins we repent of.

We no longer have to do a special washing and bring an animal to a priest.

That does NOT mean we no longer have to obey Him.

 

[jamie]

We are sinless only in Christ.

That's not what you said. You said, "Just because you repent doesn't mean that your not a sinner anymore. The fact that you had to repent is proof that you are a sinner."

Christ is not a place for sinners.

 

[john w]

No, that is YOUR best shot.

Sit. You're an embarrassing clown, admitted habitual liar, and fraud/scam artist.

 

[john w]

Repent means to stop sinning.

You sound like you have no idea how to stop sinning.

Didn't you ever stop any sin for Jesus?

If you did, then you would know it is possible.

You never did.

You have nothing.

Translation, again: The village idiot asserts that the Lord Jesus Christ died for nothing, with this satanic, self righteous "stop sinning" scam

 

[john w]

Jesus justifies us, cleans us, of the sins we repent of.

.

=her drunken spam assertion, as the lush cannot comprehend that the reason the Saviour died for our sins, is that we cannot repent of them. The idiot does not know what the term "died for" means.


And stuff your satanic assertion, deviled one, as the LORD God justifies unrepentant sinners, the ungodly, died for while we were yet unrepentant sinners, ungodly. You've been shown this, with the verses, but your daddy the devil tells you just to keep spamming satanic lies.