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That is soul sleep a doctrine of death.
Having received salvation, what is next?
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That is soul sleep a doctrine of death.
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The Word of God teaches what is spiritual and how we live on after the death of our bodies.
oatmeal
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There are many scriptures.
Man cannot kill the soul means man cannot kill the body with the spirit.
oatmeal
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Which scriptures teach that?
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Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
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Doesn't mean the Spirit doesn't experience death for a term. I did just see a verse that said that some will not experience death. That definitely seems to negate some of the confusion. I don't recall exactly where I saw it though.
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If the spirit cannot be killed then why do you keep insisting that it can?
oatmeal
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Like I said, God uses the word "sleep" as a figure of speech to refer to death.
It is the figure of speech euphemism, that figure of speech uses a softer, gentler word to communicate a harsh reality.
In other words, death for a believer is like sleep, although it is not sleep, for in sleep a person will wake up again.
God is gentle that way, He knows that we are in pain when one of our loved ones die.
He uses the word "sleep" to refer to death, even though, it is not literal to teach a truth we need to know.,
He gives us words with which we may comfort one another. I Thessalonians 4:18
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So you think Jesus does not speak truth?
oatmeal
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Where did you get such an idea?
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Because you say Jesus was just using figure of speech.
oatmeal
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I see.
Evidently, you are not familiar with the idea that God uses figures of speech in His word.
It is an important thing to learn, for not all scripture is literal.
For instance, Psalm 18:2
The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Is the Lord literally a rock, a fortress, a horn....
No, God is not literally a rock, horn etc.
But figuratively, the truth is He is as a rock a fortress, etc for those who believe Him.
Oh, by the way, I did not say Jesus said those things, I said God uses the figure of speech euphemism.
It is important to recognize the difference between God and His son.
You would want to confuse me or other believers who are sons of God with God would you?
Why would anyone willfully confuse the son of God with God?
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Maybe you need to study more what figure of speech means?
You are not the Son of God are you?
oatmeal
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When I am proving that Jesus is God, you compare Jesus to us.
oatmeal
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Actually, since scripture does not teach that Jesus is God, but rather the son of God. Huge difference.
Actually, I do not compare myself with anyone if I can avoid it for it is unprofitable.
2 Corinthians 10:12
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
However since Jesus as some like to call him is but a mere man, though I find nothing mere about him, I do like to learn from his perfect and complete example of what God made humans capable in their love and service to God.
If Jesus is God, then what he did is boring, after all, if he created the heavens and the earth, feeding four and five thousand and healing people and casting out devils is nothing to him.
Yet we are to do the same works and greater works John 14:12
If you really believe that Jesus is God and Jesus told you that you can do greater works than God himself, what works would that be?
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You are no apostle helping to lay the foundation.
The foundation has been laid.
You think that we could do more than Jesus, but you do not think you could die for the sins of the world, right?
Don't you know that Jesus came from heaven? We did not come from heaven.
oatmeal
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Jesus Christ is a human being just like he is supposed to be.
Acts 3:22
Jesus is that prophet that God told Moses about
A prophet that the Lord your God would raise up unto you of your brethren
He was speaking to humans, those brethren were humans, thus Jesus is a human.
oatmeal
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Actually, the phrase, "born again" literally means "born from above"
How's them apples?