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clefty

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I don't follow links posted by someone I would never call brother.
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Ahhh yes the Pharisee tactic or is it the inquisition? Soon you will expect censure or something...

Careful though...sticking your head in the sand so often you might find treasure...
 
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Every route, including the route to Hades, has in itself a single, purposed destination. That being the glory of Elohim.
 
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clefty

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Truster said:
Every route, including the route to Hades, has in itself a single, purposed destination. That being the glory of Elohim.
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Is like saying He is glorified by false worship, idolatry, and the counterfeit.

We are to worship in Spirit and in Truth...hell is neither...
 
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Yah Veh Elohim is glorified in the destruction as well as the salvation of sinners. In the former His justice is glorified and in the latter His grace. Your natural mind does not understand how He is glorified and so you cannot give Him glory in spirit or in truth. You are deluded and under the judgement of blindness.
 
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clefty

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Yah Veh Elohim is glorified in the destruction as well as the salvation of sinners. In the former His justice is glorified and in the latter His grace. Your natural mind does not understand how He is glorified and so you cannot give Him glory in spirit or in truth. You are deluded and under the judgement of blindness.
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You however, are not talking about the DESTRUCTION of sinners...but rather about Hell which is the non scriptural teaching of a literal/physical place that has room enough for all of history’s sinners and fuel enough to burn with literal/physical flames of fire (and without consuming) their literal/physical flesh for ALL of eternity...
 
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clefty said:
You however, are not talking about the DESTRUCTION of sinners...but rather about Hell which is the non scriptural teaching of a literal/physical place that has room enough for all of history’s sinners and fuel enough to burn with literal/physical flames of fire (and without consuming) their literal/physical flesh for ALL of eternity...
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You obviously don't comprehend what it is I'm talking about. Each scriptural word and every hint of spiritual doctrine just adds to your confusion.
 
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Truster said:
You obviously don't comprehend what it is I'm talking about. Each scriptural word and every hint of spiritual doctrine just adds to your confusion.
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As to yours, apparently, since you can't even discuss basic questions without resorting to the old "you just can't understand because you're not enlightened" shtick.
 
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"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption".

Amen.
 
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clefty

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You obviously don't comprehend what it is I'm talking about. Each scriptural word and every hint of spiritual doctrine just adds to your confusion.
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Oh yeah?

So you get to heaven and as a spirt you cant eat all the good food, pet the cute animals, or touch His nail scarred hands or hug Him...why? Cuz you just be spirit...waiting for your physical body...

Oh yeah...BTW how ya gonna eat from the tree of life? Spirits dont eat...

Really silly being in paradise there and not able to enjoy it fully...

Do ya look down and see loved ones hurt others suffer themselves continue to sin? Well that is just awesome no?

Rather keep it like scritpure teaches than your weak attempts at comfort seeking tradition...
 
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"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
 
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Truster said:
Hades.

No light, no love, no pleasure, no delight, no company, no rest, no peace, loneliness and isolation.

Continuous physical pain, continuous emotional pain, constant dread, constant fear, constant misery, continual pangs of memory and regret of a guilty conscience that cannot be quieted.

No hope that there will be an end of the interminable suffering.
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“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
 
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"They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of Yah Veh and from the glory of his might"
 
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clefty

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Truster said:
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
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Jude 7
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Sodom and Gomorrah still burning?

Or still burnt up?
 
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clefty

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Truster said:
"They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of Yah Veh and from the glory of his might"
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Yup “punished” (one time and not continuously) with “everlasting destructION” not everlasting destroyING...

Anything shut out from the the source Life is no more...

Psalm 37:20
"But the wicked shall PERISH… they shall CONSUME; into smoke shall they CONSUME AWAY.”

Psalm 104:35
Let all sinners vanish from the face of the earth; let the wicked disappear forever.

Psalm 37:20

But the wicked will perish: Though the LORD's enemies are like the flowers of the field, they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.
 
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"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of Yah Veh, and from the glory of his power;"

Everlasting destruction can know no end, because if it did, everlasting life would have an end. In the everlasting realm (eternity) there is no beginning and no end. You really need to realise that the destruction you face will fulfil its threat perfectly.
 
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In eternity there will be no broken pencils. If there were a broken pencil it would mean there was a time when the pencil was whole and unbroken. In which case eternity and The Eternal Almighty would be subject to time...perish the very thought.

The eternal life we* inherit is eternal.

we* the redeemed.
 
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