KingdomRose
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So you have connections that Paul didn't have? (Phil.3:8-16)
excellent example of MADism:
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So you have connections that Paul didn't have? (Phil.3:8-16)
Never argued that, so knock it off. Another wicked fruit inspector, self righteous rat comes out of the woodwork...
Show me, you self righteous rat, teenie bob, where I argued that. Grace teaches sanctification.
Titus 2 KJV
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Your devilish "He died while I was sinning so I might as well keep sinning" mindset sends you, others, to hell.
I thought so, devil child.
Get saved.
Lol...yes salvation from the dangerous members like you and yours
"for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure." Is about glee clubs and group dynamics and beauty pageants and leadership conferences and popularity contests and Christian dating right?
Gotta keep the churches all nicey nice is keeping one's salvation...?
And to you throwing out members to Satan as a last resort to get them back on track and to protect the sheep who remain from their rot is working it out in fear and trembling...?
Wow
You made that up.
2 Timothy 4:6 KJV For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
"Saints...Brethren..."
2 Cor. 2 KJV
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
And on, and on...
Clueless.
Slower, Dora.
The context/issue Paul is discussing is not spirit/soul salvation/deliverance, moron. Of course, not studying the details of the book, what preceeds/follows the Philippians passage, just "interpreting" a verse in isolation, you would spam the above. And you are clueless as to what the term "salvation" means.
Salvation: To be delivered from a danger
The context tells us whether it is soul/spiritual, physical, or deliverance from (fill in the blank)....
The issue was "deliverance," "salvation," from problems/issues that would cause divisions/factions within the Philippian church. Survey Philippians 1:27–2:18 KJV... " becometh the gospel of Christ,"... includes standing firm together, as brethren, in one spirit, "striving together for the faith of the gospel..." Such saintly conduct necessitates love and concord, humility, and unselfishness,...
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
...and deliverance from vainglory/conceit, strife/rivalry, complaining/muttering/grumbling.....
14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings
You: What does salvation mean?
drbrumley
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"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
People laugh at your teen talk. Next up: Wink...ROFLOL...
If you are not obedient, you are not going by assurance, you're depending on mercy.
So if you are not doing anything commanded of you, you ought to preach hope for God's mercy, not pontificating and wearing your perceived salvation on your sleeve.
I don't know how much clearer the point can be made :wave2:
heir
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When? Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Here's the problem with a lot of people- they preach that they receive the same merit as a penniless martyr.
It sounds good, up until you realize that, by the same principle, a person who holds less virtue then that person can claim the same merit. And then, a person holding even less virtue than them can claim just the same.
The 'cutoff' line becomes a claim of belief, which would ultimately render Christianity pointless. It's one of the major logical pitfalls of doctrine such as the so called 'grace gospel' interpretation.
It sounds good, up until you realize that, by the same principle, a person who holds less virtue then that person can claim the same merit. And then, a person holding even less virtue than them can claim just the same.
The 'cutoff' line becomes a claim of belief, which would ultimately render Christianity pointless. It's one of the major logical pitfalls of doctrine such as the so called 'grace gospel' interpretation.
God's Truth
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Why don't you believe the scriptures that say we can be saved now?
God's Truth
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That doesn't mean you do not have to repent.
Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Have you proved it John?
God's Truth
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We have to repent of them, all of them.
Which ones would you like to keep and what do you think God thinks of you keeping some?
God's Truth
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There is only one gospel, it is the New Covenant gospel message, and Paul said he is a minister to it.
God's Truth
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You think that means we do not have to obey to get saved? lol
The gospel message isn't even sent to people who do not obey anything.
Acts 13:26 "Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
God's Truth
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If you are still sinning, then your sin is living in your heart, just like Jesus says.
Jesus died for the sins of the world and you do not receive that grace to have your sins washed away until you come to God through Jesus and repent.
The context:
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
His relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ is not "perfect, "complete,' recognizing that he does not know Him the way he really wants to, still being engaged in the spiritual struggle/war, in his daily walk-survey Romans 7 ff.Paul asserts that, since/although he has not obtained this complete relationship with Christ, he "presses on."
It has NADA to do with lack of assurance in salvation.
If a person falls from grace, then they were never saved to begin with- you don't go in and out of salvation. The Reformed doctrine of Eternal Security illustrates that salvation is predestined, not usurped or rejected.
And
To 'know' your salvation is to be completely obedient- that is why we call it 'faith' rather than 'knowing', because nobody is completely obedient.
That's yet another overstep of many Christians.
Just be honest and stop attributing a knowledge to yourself which only God has :idunno: