Eternal Security !

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beloved57 said:
False statements, those Christ died for are reconciled to God and made righteous Rom 5:10,19 !
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Jesus died for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.

One must come to him in living faith to receive that grace.

All have a chance if they do what Jesus says.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
 
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Samie said:
You don't believe Jesus' own words that those NOT in Him can do NOTHING? You keep on insisting that those NOT YET IN CHRIST can do SOMETHING - they can obey.

NAS John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he (a)bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing.

You say you love the Word of God BUT why do you refuse Jesus' words when they are against your theology?
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There is no APART from Jesus if you search for his words and obey them.

Your argument is nonsense.
 
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Jesus died for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.

One must come to him in living faith to receive that grace.

All have a chance if they do what Jesus says.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
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False statements not found in the scriptures, and promoting salvation by works, by what a person does, which is a insult to Jesus Christ!
 
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The Eternal Redemption Christ obtained !


The Eternal Redemption Christ obtained for them He died for Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.




That word obtained means He procured it, secured it and gained it for us, Eternal Redemption. This Eternal Redemption gained for them is also their Justification before God, even before they come to believe, because its by His Death/Blood. By His Blood they have been Eternally Delivered from the Penalty of sin, for thats what that word redemption in the verse signifies Heb 9:12, which through it they have Justification Rom 3:24

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Justification came through the Redemption that came by Christ Jesus. Now Christ obtained it for them, and God imputes it to their account, even as they are enemies and unbelievers, thats why they are Reconciled to as such Rom 5:10 ! This is also why they are eternally secured, because the Redemption is Eternal Heb 9:12 !
 
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beloved57 said:
All for whom Christ died, which were Chosen in Him before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Who also have redemption through His Blood with the forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7, they are and always have been Eternally Secured in Christ, Yes even before they become Believers, before they are even Called by the Gospel to Faith Jude 1:1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Before Called buy the Gospel, they had been first preserved in Jesus Christ their Saviour, which preservation denotes their Eternal Security in Christ.
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How come you never try to witness Christ to others? Oh, I forgot, you're a hyper-Calvinist. Only you and Nanja are set.
 
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ONE IS NOT apart from JESUS if one is trying to be saved by Jesus by following his instructions to be saved!
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No one is saved by DOING.
DOING does not save you.

BELIEF in what has ALREADY been DONE is what saves you.
Your belief exclusively placed on Jesus Christ and what HE DID is sufficient to save you and you do not have to do anything to be saved; otherwise, you are saying that Jesus Christ and His finished work was not sufficient and YOU have to DO something to complete His already finished work.
 
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lifeisgood said:
No one is saved by DOING.
DOING does not save you.

BELIEF in what has ALREADY been DONE is what saves you.
Your belief exclusively placed on Jesus Christ and what HE DID is sufficient to save you and you do not have to do anything to be saved; otherwise, you are saying that Jesus Christ and His finished work was not sufficient and YOU have to DO something to complete His already finished work.
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Very good post.
 
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lifeisgood said:
No one is saved by DOING.
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You are NOT speaking the truth.

The scriptures plainly say we have to obey.


1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

lifeisgood said:
DOING does not save you.
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Colossians 3:23 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.
lifeisgood said:
BELIEF in what has ALREADY been DONE is what saves you.
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Belief alone is dead and cannot save anyone Jesus, Peter, Paul, and James 2:14, 17, 20, and 22.

lifeisgood said:
Your belief exclusively placed on Jesus Christ and what HE DID is sufficient to save you and you do not have to do anything to be saved; otherwise, you are saying that Jesus Christ and His finished work was not sufficient and YOU have to DO something to complete His already finished work.
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Jesus' finished work is not that you do not have to believe and obey.

Where do you get such a teaching?
 
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