The degeneration; and it's a sad funny, not a "ha-ha" funny.
What an unnecessary question. Just ask your questions and see if anyone answers.
I did (below). You're just lashing out right now because you're hurting and rejected, or whatever. The quality of your life in Christ is more important than being right or attempting to show others they're not, in your estimation.
Since I think you're a believer, I encourage you to not let anything affect your fruit in these heated forum debates.
I guess you are like the others, merely denying that the trinitarian doctrine does make three gods…just because you say so.
No, it's because the original Trinity doctrine very specifically isn't three gods at all. That was the whole point of formulating it.
The one ousia is the singular essence of Divinity. The multiple hypostases are just the particular substantial realities underlying that singular Divinity.
In human terms, the ousia is mankind and the hypostases are individuals within mankind. There aren't multiple mankinds as a species.
Multiple ousios would be multiple gods. One ousia isn't, even though I consider the Orthodox Trinity doctrine to be unbiblical and impossible according to the text. But it's not Polytheism. You just don't understand it.
The trinitarian doctrine does make three Gods.
No, it does not. It's in error scripturally, but it isn't inherently Polytheistic. It IS conceptually perceived by many as much to Polytheistic. The difference is in whether there are multiple minds/wills in the "persons", or if the singular mind/will is in the "being". The latter DOES trend too close into functional Polytheism.
The trinitarian doctrine says that God the Father is God, that Jesus Christ the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God---but they are NOT the same.
And if you really wanted to understand it, I could probably explain it better than they can themselves. But you don't seem to want to know the difference.
That makes three different Gods. You can deny it all you want and call it silly, but you cannot explain how it does not make three Gods.
I could explain it in volumes, even though I disagree with it; and I can also simply show how it CAN be Polytheistic. You just don't want to give up your bias and misrepresentation, and that's your prerogative.
But one ousia is one God. That's the whole point of the formulation. The ousia is the singular essence as Spirit. You just have more of a rough "street" understanding than a true theological one. I can help you with that if you sincerely want to know the difference. If you don't, no biggie.
Speak according to the scriptures. All your manmade words about the scriptures are ridiculous.
Um... They're not manmade at all. I intermix the inspired Greek terms for clarity with others who know the difference. I quoted a phrase of Hebrews 1:3 in English/Greek. Scripture isn't ridiculous.
Wow, you're just raw hurting. I've been through over four years of gradually becoming that way. By God's grace, I've come out of all that now. I'd suggest a break from the forum if it drives you to such lengths.
God created things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities.
Right.
What in the world are you trying to say?
That God created the supernatural realm of eternity just as He created the natural realm of temporality. You don't really understand that, either.
I'd be patient to help you understand these points, but I don't think you want to see the error of your assertions and understanding.
This thread was made to discuss AMR’s and my one on one about the trinity.
Right. But it sure went to the dumpster. I was at least trying to stay on the overall topic and diffuse all the feces that is stinking up the forum.
The Trinity doctrine, even though I reject the Orthodox formulation, is not representative of Polytheism. It doesn't depict three gods; it's just not scripturally possible. No need to caricature it to a false understanding.
I pray the peace that passes understanding for you. Life is too short for this. I let it hold me captive much too long. Just let it go and rest in Him.
Have a blessed week.
