Consequences of Unbelief or Incorrect Doctrine

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Robert Pate said:
Many think that they can believe what they want to believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ and that there are no consequences to what they believe.

There are consequences to not having the correct beliefs. Example, Jesus said, "I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he you will die in your sins" John 8:24.

Jesus is telling us that if you do not believe that he is Lord or God you are lost. Plain and simple. Many Calvinist on this Forum do not believe that Jesus is the savior and redeemer of the whole world, in spite of many scriptures that say that he is, such as, 1 John 2:2 or 1 John 4:14. Question is can you believe that Jesus is not the savior of the whole world and still be saved? The answer is no and here is why.

The Gospel is one complete and total message. It does not include fragments of beliefs or doctrines. Many belief that Jesus is the Son of God, but do not believe that he is their savior. That is a fragment of belief and will not save. To believe the Gospel is to believe all of the Gospel and not just some of it. Catholics believe that Jesus is the savior, but do not believe that he saves completely. They believe that it is necessary for them to participate in their salvation. They do not believe the Gospel. Sinners cannot save themselves no matter what they do.

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15 and in doing so has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. This is basic Christian doctrine. To not believe this is to put yourself outside of the faith and under the judgment of God. One of the perquisites for salvation is that you must believe that Jesus is Lord or God. This is why Jesus said that if you don't believe that he is Lord or God you will die in your sins.

Christianity is a faith religion. We are called to believe things that cannot be believed by unbelievers. They are things of the Spirit that unbelievers do not have access to, 1 Corinthians 2:14. We spend a lot of time on the forum trying to convince these people that are void of the Spirit things of the Spirit.
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You can have all your beliefs correct and still be unsaved.

Tell us what is required that makes you one of the saved?

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Robert Pate said:
He makes it possible for the whole world to be saved, all you have to do is believe.
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This is a "truthful statement." Christ died for a world of lost sinners. However, unless one hears the Gospel of their salvation and places ALL their faith in Christ as their Savior, they will not reap the benefits of His death and resurrection. Those who reject God's Grace, will be judged according to their "WORKS" and be cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. One cannot earn their eternal life.
 
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Nanja said:
You are a false witness which God has prepared for destruction Rom. 9:22.

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When many, many people, mostly people that have been Christians for many, many years tell you that what you believe is false you should listen to them.
 
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Robert Pate said:
When many, many people, mostly people that have been Christians for many, many years tell you that what you believe is false you should listen to them.
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1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


Titus 1:1-2
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,


Rom. 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.



God's Elect are led by the Spirit of Truth John 16:13 to be witnesses for Christ and His Gospel of Grace, and they are under God's Providence continually in every situation, every step of theirs Ps. 37:23 which He has predestined for them to encounter in this world.


Mat 11:25-27
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


2 Tim. 3:12-14
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them


Luke 24:45
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

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Nanja said:
Luke 24:45
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
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It is a shame that Calvinists have had their understanding darkened about free will.

Ephesians 4:18
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:​

 
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Nanja said:
1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


Titus 1:1-2
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,


Rom. 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.



God's Elect are led by the Spirit of Truth John 16:13 to be witnesses for Christ and His Gospel of Grace, and they are under God's Providence continually in every situation, every step of theirs Ps. 37:23 which He has predestined for them to encounter in this world.


Mat 11:25-27
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


2 Tim. 3:12-14
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them


Luke 24:45
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

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All of the above scripture also applies to Christians who are not Calvinist.

You seem to think that you are some how special. The Pharisees also thought that they were God's special chosen ones. Matthew, chapter 23 shows that they were not.

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Not just for you.

God is much bigger than John Calvin.
 
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Robert Pate said:
All of the above scripture also applies to Christians who are not Calvinist.

You seem to think that you are some how special. The Pharisees also thought that they were God's special chosen ones. Matthew, chapter 23 shows that they were not.

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Not just for you.

God is much bigger than John Calvin.
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You are a preacher of a false gospel whom God has prepared for destruction Rom. 9:22; Jude 1:4.

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